Posted on 11/24/2014 7:16:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Next time you invite Rudy Giuliani on the Sunday morning shows, make sure you give him the heavily caffeinated coffee, because once he gets wound up he really heads off to the races. Appearing on Meet the Press, the former Mayor was paired up with Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson to talk about race relations in Ferguson, and things got a little dicey.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani faced immediate Web backlash Sunday morning after he asked why people protest the killing of unarmed Ferguson, Mo., teenager Michael Brown but not black-on-black crime.
“Ninety-three percent of blacks are killed by other blacks,” Giuliani said, triggering a heated argument on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail,” Dyson said. “White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail.”
“What about the poor black child that was killed by another black child?” Giuliani asked. “Why aren’t you protesting that?… Why don’t you cut it down so that so many white police officers don’t have to be in black areas?”
“When I become mayor, I’ll do that,” replied Dyson, exasperated.
“White police officers wouldn’t be there,” Giuliani said, “if you weren’t killing each other.”
As you can imagine, those last couple of lines essentially set of a tactical nuke of racism discussions on social media. In the ensuing muddle of words and cross patched accusations, some of the more useful and interesting facts underlying this long overdue discussion were, of course, lost. The first is the patently ridiculous assertion from Professor Dyson that “black people who kill black people go to jail.” How Chuck Todd let that one sail over the plate unchallenged is a mystery, since in all of the worst, gang afflicted urban areas of the country, that statement is simply untrue. In Chicago last year, out of more than 500 largely gang related murders, police managed to obtain a conviction in only 132 of them. The story isn’t much different in Giuliani’s old stomping grounds in the Big Apple and Los Angeles is much the same.
Granted, Dyson may have been implying that of those where a defendant is identified, the black offender goes to jail. This implies that there is a “system” in place shielding the white offender. But as the Los Angeles article linked above in particular notes, there is a separate “system” which frequently makes it nearly impossible for minority gang members to be brought to justice as well.
For his part, the way Giuliani chose to tackle this prickly, but obvious problem could have been handled much better. His numbers regarding the amount of crime which happens in various neighborhoods are pretty well established, but he shuts the conversation down by saying that three quarters of the crimes in New York City take place “in black neighborhoods.” It’s equally true that crime is the highest in neighborhoods with the highest level of poverty. Yes, those neighborhoods do tend to be heavily populated by minorities in the large cities, but the tie between poverty and crimes of all types is beyond question. Also, as I’ve learned through some of my recent travels through the south, there are similarly impoverished rural areas which are predominantly white where crime also runs rampant, with the meth trade, assault, domestic violence and theft filling the local police blotters.
Giuliani was making an important point which is rarely if ever discussed in America because the racial aspect of it immediately throws the conversation into acrimony and turmoil. But he brought it up in a way that was destined to fail before the words finished coming out of his mouth.
I propose a Top Level Press Conference....shared By Revrunt Sharpton and Rudy!!
It's very quickly reverting back to what it was pre-Giuliani, under DiBlasio.
Wonder if he'd care to chime in as to why Lori Klausitis died? What's that, cat's got your tongue, Joe?
When you are trying to fan the flames of anarchy, the truth can sometimes act as a fire hose.
The writer is wrong. He states that crime is high in poor white areas of the south as justification for the criticism, but the crimes that he mentioned did not include murder.
The inner city Blacks have the Justice system under control, social justice is now the rule rather than the exception. What the Black activists are now demanding is control of the police,nsovthatbtheybwont need social justice in the courts.
The Blacks want Obama’s amnesty for current and future crimes. They want the same amnesty that Obama is granting the illegals.
You are exactly right. The left makes an issue of word choice (and keeps moving the goalposts on that, to boot), because it’s not the words which they don’t like, it’s the truth conveyed in those words which they don’t like. That’s why even stark unadorned statistics are also unacceptable to them.
I can with absolute certainty state that the recent spate of rapes/murders of elderly white women (the most recent victim of which I’m aware being 101 years old) is due to their being white-in some cases little to nothing is stolen. The women are white and elderly, hardly capable of fighting off a black predator. But we’ll hear nothing about this predation of whites, especially not that it’s because they’re white, any more than we’ll hear the truth of the motive behind the knockout “game”.
Rudy was the best choice in 2008. He would still make a great Secretary of State or Defense or AG.
He has courage and is not afraid to tell the truth.
[Responding to Socon-econ] You are exactly right. The left makes an issue of word choice (and keeps moving the goalposts on that, to boot), because it’s not the words which they don’t like, it’s the truth conveyed in those words which they don’t like. That’s why even stark unadorned statistics are also unacceptable to them.
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The left has trained us to apologize even when we said nothing wrong, even when the larger truth conveyed is right on.
You’d think that conservatives would have figured out by now that no words would be acceptable, because the truth is unacceptable, and stop trying to appease them.
Racist - dictionary definition - ascribing to the belief of superiority or inferiority of a group of people based on ethnicity or genetic makeup.
Racist - working definition - any argument (and the presenter of that argument) which is effectively exposing the truth about any leftist policy.
The soft bigotry of low expectations?
Racist - Someone winning an argument with a liberal.
Well said!
Rudy made NYC great in the 90’s. I lived there and it was obvious to all. He would have been a very good POTUS, but his RINO tendencies might have made some bad SCOTUS appointments.
Sad but true. Sobering to contemplate the result.
This article doesn’t even mention that Dyson shouted that Guiliani was using “white privilege” in his remarks.
Actually, the creepiest moment in today’s show was his Deliverance banjo-boy son talking about soccer (oh, excuse me, “futbol”).
Young black men: 3% of the population. 50% of the murder.
That is the statistic that no one wants to talk about.
“It made my heart ache, you know, to see all these beautiful black men in the joint. The warriors should be out there helping the masses. I felt that way, I was real naive. Six weeks I was up there and I talked to the brothers. I talked to ‘em, and ... THANK GOD WE GOT PENITENTIARIES!”
-Richard Pryor
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