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Carson: Cops Could Be Trained to Shoot For The Legs
Breitbart TV ^ | 25 November 2014 | Ian Hanchett

Posted on 11/30/2014 11:37:57 PM PST by shibumi

Dr. Ben Carson, author of "One Nation: What We Can All Do to Save America's Future," argued that while Officer Darren Wilson did nothing wrong in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, police should be better trained in non-lethal force such as shooting aggressors in the legs on Tuesday's "Hugh Hewitt Show."

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He specified "for instance, in a lot of places, police officers aren’t even allowed to go into the more dangerous areas by themselves. They’re always paired. Or you know, people use tasers, people learn how to shoot people in the legs to stop them from charging, things of that nature. And I seriously doubt that he’d been given that information."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; bencarson; carson; doctorbencarson; drbencarson; ferguson; guncontrol; guns; leo; police; rino; secondamendment
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To: shibumi

Good grief, he just has to keep stepping in it. There would be more stray shots, more innocent bystanders shot.


41 posted on 12/01/2014 12:29:57 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: shibumi; Slings and Arrows

“There is no overkill, there is only ‘open fire’ and ‘reload’!”
(Knowing slings, he’ll have the reference on hand.)


42 posted on 12/01/2014 12:30:01 AM PST by Darksheare (People who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: shibumi
Ok, yes, indeed. This makes sense.

We could also train them, if the bad guy is armed, do quickly draw, throw themselves to one side, drop, roll, come up on one knee, and shoot the gun out of the guys hand.

43 posted on 12/01/2014 12:30:54 AM PST by stevem
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To: shibumi
Does this guy really believe that his first-ever elected office should be President of the United States.

Not credible.

(Unless your previous job title was "Supreme Allied Commander"...in a world war)

44 posted on 12/01/2014 12:31:14 AM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents and supporters are Traitors.)
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To: shibumi

Sure, Carson. Let’s see what you shoot at when some dude tries to kill you. Then again, Ferguson may be considered a “big city” and you wouldn’t dream of carrying a weapon within city limits. That makes you one dead dude.


45 posted on 12/01/2014 12:31:17 AM PST by Politicalkiddo ("It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Well, he did say that he’s running.


46 posted on 12/01/2014 12:33:34 AM PST by Politicalkiddo ("It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: shibumi

That is complete and utter nonsense... As a former police officer, also SWAT cop, civilian PSD, Iraq security manager, maritime anti-piracy as well, training is center mass..leave it at that. Bloody silly.. The tactical side added two center mass with a added head shot. Always pays to add the insurance.. I have seen a perp leg shot...by accident with a 870 and double ought. That was intended to be a center mass, but the officer involved was a little excited as the guy was shooting back at 20 feet with a 44 mag.


47 posted on 12/01/2014 12:34:25 AM PST by Trapper6012
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To: shibumi

A buddy had one of those. Pattern of about 6’ at 6 yds. Shot at a coyote with #4 shot at 20 yds. It just looked at him and yawned.


48 posted on 12/01/2014 12:34:45 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: shibumi

One “Oh s***” negates a hundred “ Atta’ boys”.


49 posted on 12/01/2014 12:36:15 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: shibumi

By looking at the impact pattern on the Michael Brown autopsy, it appears his right arm was being targeted.

This happens when aiming for center mass and real world factors intervene.

He was also wounded in the initial confrontation, and it didn’t stop him from attempting to attack again.

Let’s say the perfect world evolved and police did first take out the legs of the criminal when deadly force was authorized.

Does anybody really believe there wouldn’t be an onslaught of lawsuits for punitive damages and compensation of loss by maiming the perp? Now you’ve made the criminal a cripple for life, how much more costly will this make incarceration and rehabilitation?

Now there will always be a question if deadly or maiming force is justified. Cops will still be questioned for their actions.

Will the criminal mind ever change to abide by the law? Now he has incentive to remain criminal for such an unjust consequence, by the criminal mind. Now every criminal will file lawsuits for compensation for the loss of their working potential,...for life. Liberals will still associate the criminal mind as a consequence of poverty, and now the poverty was caused by law enforcement.

There is a bigger issue here, involving the way criminals think and how they allow their thinking to influence their actions and behavior.

We make laws to discriminate between acts which are lawful and those unlawful. They are made to control the disobedient, not to control the obedient. A person who refuses to recognize the law, disobeys the law, and then assaults legitimate authority must be controlled with the intent they will obey the law when given freedom. When they attempt to use deadly force on legitimate authority, there must remain risk for their behavior, otherwise it will become advantageous for the criminal to assault legitimate authority.

Ultimately, a criminal must be held accountable for their actions and when they resist arrest, their resistance must be met with overwhelming force to limit the risk they place on the lawful.


50 posted on 12/01/2014 12:38:27 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: shibumi

Let me add: when a person is in a situation where he needs to fire at another person, he is (nearly always!) so pumped up with adrenaline and various other hormones that he’s lucky to be able to see straight, much less aim cooly and accurately at very specific portions of the target. In short, no, they can’t be trained to shoot at the legs, not unless you want lots more dead LEOs.


51 posted on 12/01/2014 12:40:39 AM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Darksheare; shibumi

> “There is no overkill, there is only ‘open fire’ and ‘reload’!”

Maxim 37, “The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries,” Schlock Mercenary.

[I had to check the number, but that was it.]


52 posted on 12/01/2014 12:40:45 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("I Only Love You When I'm Drunk" - http://youtu.be/uT-tCbvfDUg)
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To: shibumi

But, wait, didn’t he shoot him in the arms first?

I’m sure that was just his warning shots to slow him down...


53 posted on 12/01/2014 12:41:24 AM PST by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: shibumi

And then, when the round ricochets and kills a bystander, we should ban guns in inner cities because reasons.

Ben Carson is not only ignorant, he doesn’t know the depth of what he doesn’t know, and shows no interest in learning.

He needs to step aside. If he wants to raise his profile in order to get better speaking gigs or book deals, fine. But doing it with other people’s money this close to crunch time is really low on his part.

Seriously questioning his ethics here.


54 posted on 12/01/2014 12:43:10 AM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: shibumi

No, they can’t.

If a weapon is drawn for self defense, then it most generally is for the protection of one’s own life or that of others.

The fact that a gun is drawn by a oeace officer is usually a clear indication of hiw dire the circumstances are.

Besides, shooting a leg does not automatically result in mitigating further aggression.

The only way to objectively end a life threatening event is to terminate the aggressor.


55 posted on 12/01/2014 12:43:49 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: All

As much respect as I have for him, I hope Dr. Ben doesn’t fly airplanes on the side.

There are many, many doctors that thought their expertise in their chosen profession of medicine extended to everything else.

Most of them have been killed flying Bonanzas.


56 posted on 12/01/2014 12:44:43 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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To: kik5150

Good shot! ;-)


57 posted on 12/01/2014 12:47:20 AM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: shibumi

Maybe, they could just use their lasso of truth.


58 posted on 12/01/2014 12:52:24 AM PST by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: shibumi

I’ve heard that response alot from low info voters who don’t have a clue how police are trained.

I blame those action movies where a shot to the leg stops someone.


59 posted on 12/01/2014 12:55:07 AM PST by RginTN
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To: GraceG

I didn’t know that. You’d think that a doctor would.


60 posted on 12/01/2014 12:56:03 AM PST by Politicalkiddo ("It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority."- Benjamin Franklin)
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