Posted on 12/03/2014 12:26:19 PM PST by servo1969
RUSH: Since I have explained all this logically -- and the end result of explaining this logically is to illustrate the on-the-surface illogic of all of these people afraid of the government shutdown. It simply is illogical. Everybody bleating about, "No, no! No, no! Ohhhh, no! Shut down the government? Oh, my God! Shut down the government? We're gonna get blamed. We're gonna get creamed! No! No!" They don't really mean that. Here's what it all means.
They may mean that, but when you strip all this away, what it really means is -- and batten down the hatches here. It means that the vast majority of the membership of the Republican establishment and their donors want amnesty. That's what all this means. You've gotta cut through the noise here, which is one of the things I always try to do, not get distracted, 'cause all of this talk about a government shutdown is a sideshow. These people are smart enough to know.
Hell, if I can figure it out, they can.
"A government shutdown is so devastating that we can't recover! Oh, my God," and we only won a landslide election? What this is about is the establishment concocting an excuse where they don't have to stop Obama because they don't want to, folks. That's the only logical interpretation for all of this. The election results are clear. The voters don't want any more of what Obama is promising, implementing or offering. They don't want any more of it.
The election was the only way people in this country have of saying "stop." Well, the people they elected to stop it, at least in the case of amnesty, don't want to stop it. But they can't come out and say that. They can't come, after all of this, and act like they are as eager for amnesty as Obama, but they are. We know it to be true. We know the Republican establishment, we know the Chamber of Commerce, we know that many of the donors want amnesty.
They want all of these low-skilled and low-educated workers because they're low-wage. They've not even denied this, in recent months/years. So what this is really all about is it's just easier for these people to hide behind the dangers of a government shutdown as the excuse for not stopping Obama. That's all this really is, because they're not this shortsighted.
They don't really think we can't shut down the government and stop Obama because of a poll in the Washington Post about being blamed for a shutdown. It's that they don't want to. The polling data is a convenient excuse. "Hey, look, if we do it we're gonna get creamed! We just won, and you want us to throw away this victory by ticking off the people who just elected us?" It's a sideshow excuse. That's what it is. Face it.
Duh, no Shite Rush, the republican leadership also wanted and wants OdumboCare, they even helped the democrats pass ObamaCARE, and if anyone here wants to dispute this point with me please do, I love to prove my self right.
There is NO, nada, zip, zero difference between what Obama wants and what McConnell or Boener wants for our nation, nothing different at all.
Appears my days of voting are over. I just cannot hold my nose and vote for shiite again.
“Shutting down the government”—which of course, Obama would be doing anyway, not Congress, didn’t hurt the GOP too badly in this election.
But more to the point, 1) what’s there to “pound Obama” about after he’s assured a low-skill, Democrat majority in perpetuity, and 2) how can you defend Congress failing to do its most fundamental job of controlling the pursestrings of government spending for the sake of some suspect re-election calculus anyway?
You’re advocating choosing our targets idiotically.
No Republicans do not want amnesty. Big business wants amnesty. And our elected Republican official have their heads up[ their you know whats. I feel like the loyal wife who supported her husband until he found out he was cheati8ng on her all over the place. The marriage was suddenly and irrevocably over. I no longer believe in tax cuts or low taxes for these people. They are only conservative when it comes to their pocket books.They stab us in the back we should stab them in the front and get even.
The only possible way this could fail is if most of the citizenry have become so stupid and uninformed that they can't comprehend the difference. Admittedly, that may be the case, but if it is then we might as well all just give up anyway.
It’s actually better than I expected, given that they would like to have passed a sweeping Amnesty bill before the end of this term. Like it or not, the congress will probably be funding and won’t likely be making any changes until the new congress. That isn’t to imply that they will act on our behalf then, but at least they will be easier to find and they won’t be gasping, “I haven’t even been sworn in, yet.”
I recall Rush suggesting that they give 0bama everything he wanted in an Amnesty Bill, but for one proviso that with Amnesty they could not vote for 20 years. That kind of gamesmanship would put sport in closing down the GovBerment.
So much for ‘no personal attacks’, huh? No, I don’t have a sob story. I just don’t have much taste for getting bent over by my supposed friends or someone ‘on my side’. You might like that, that’s fine. But I won’t allow any more of it.
I voted for Constitution Party in 2012 and certainly will again. Unless the GOP comes up with a conservative candiate I will find the party that fits my understanding of what a conservative is. I just wish somebody with national name recognition would run for a third party. You know the GOP only ran in 1856 with John C Fremont. He lost...but in 1860 they ran Lincoln and the rest is history
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Maybe I'm late and they've already arrived.......
After the government shutdown of 2013 the Republicans took control of the Senate in 2014. What was the negative side of that?
"Finally"?.....where you been this last decade bro.....?.
Guess I was late in my prior post.....oh well.
Great, you don’t have to convince me your right, I am convinced that it is a misnomer, you have to convince the low information voter...And in case you missed it, we have lost those battles repeatedly...But maybe Einstein is wrong.
So you advocate shutting it down if things don’t go your way???
You may be right on that. I am an optimize, but you might be right...
Let the FR war begin!
<hunkerin' down and keepin' my mouth shut lest my presidential preferences get me banned)
No, constitutional rule is the issue. Amnesty is just the current example of it. And my concern is that conservatives get so focused on one skirmish and lose sight of the prize. The next president gets to pick two supreme court justices (I would think) and I want those to be hard core conservatives. People forget that ultimately these battles will be settled by the courts and I want conservative judges.
Politics has a short-shelf life. Ebola and ISIS drove the government shutdown off the front burner. Two years from now, nobody might not remember a new government shut down over this issue. But alternatively it may be the issue that gets Hillary and company back in. What I am saying (and nobody is really agreeing with me on FR) is that the upside to a government shutdown politically is way smaller than the potential downside...Nobody here has made an argument yet that debates that. I would love to be proven wrong, but I do hear is a lot people willing to burn the house down on top of us...
Yep, but a funny thing happened called 911 and diverted the agenda and I think you will agree that GW is no Ted Cruz...
Sorry about the double negative, should be “nobody might remember”...I should read my own garbage before I post it...
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