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Pope Francis: 'You cannot make fun of the faith of others'
The Telegraph ^ | 1/15/2015 | Nick Squires

Posted on 01/16/2015 7:39:02 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Vermont Lt

It’s “news” because the way freedom of speech is (at least as we define it with our Constiution and the U.S. Supreme Court decisions backing it up) ... it’s our DUTY to insult and demean and make fun of the false prophet of the false god, Allah.

We MUST do that ... and so, to have someone like the Pope say “no” ... that’s definitely news!

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob actually makes fun of and laughs at the false gods and people who follow false religions and who don’t follow HIS WAY!


21 posted on 01/16/2015 7:49:52 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Dr. Thorne

So you would go to a Charlie Hebdo-like march where they are mocking the Pope, Jewish rabbis, Jesus, Mary, and have pics of the Dung Mary painting and pics of the Piss Christ - along with Charlie Hebdo pics mocking Islam?


22 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:01 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I'm not Catholic and have never paid much attention to the Church's hierarchy, but these days I miss Pope John Paul II.

Maybe Malachy's prophecy is worth another look.

23 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:28 AM PST by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BTW, regarding this: “So in everything, do unto others as you would have them do unto you”?

What I would have them do unto me is steer me to Christianity and show me the errors in my current faith if I were not already a Christian.


24 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:36 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Evidently he's never seen Monty Python's Flying Circus


25 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vermont Lt

I think that the Pope is either dishonest or clueless. Unless he condemns the people who pee in a jar, put a crucifix in it, and call it art, he is being disingenuous! He never did that to my knowledge. It seems that only the fear of people taking out the trash (killing gooners) has gotten a rise out of him. Only when he condemns how those savages rape children and all their barbarity will I change my mind.


26 posted on 01/16/2015 7:52:07 AM PST by gr8eman (Bill Carson...meet Arch Stanton!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Actually you CAN make fun of the beliefs of others; it's very easy to do. However, maybe you SHOULD not do it.

Reminds me what P.J. O'Rourke once said:

"A conservative may tell you that you shouldn't make fun of something. And he may be right. But a liberal will tell you, 'You can't make fun of cripples.' And he's wrong - as anybody who's heard the one about Helen Keller falling into a well and breaking three fingers calling for help can tell you."

27 posted on 01/16/2015 7:52:11 AM PST by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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To: cuban leaf

But does the 1 Kings example line up with “So in EVERYTHING, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31?


28 posted on 01/16/2015 7:52:45 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Vermont Lt

“All the guy was trying to say is that while it might be legal to make fun of another religion, it is not polite. And we should be polite.”

Tell yourself that when you try not to laugh at the “Pastafarians”.


29 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:10 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The bottom line is that mocking God is meaningless. If as an ordinary person, if you pass by an anthill, and one of the ants is mocking you, even if you know that ant is mocking you, do you destroy the ant, or the entire anthill?

Then what if you see the ants tearing apart that one ant that was mocking you. What does that inspire you to do?

Otherwise, it has been said that the truly fanatical are that way, because among believers, they doubt their faith the most. So their response is to oppress others, on the grounds that *the others* faith is not strong enough.

If you mock the faith of a true believer, they will laugh at and ignore your mockery. Only the fanatic gets upset about it, because their faith is weak enough as is.

There is one proviso to this, however, which is that if the mockery is patently offensive beyond faith, it can be reasonably condemned, not out of fanaticism, but on the grounds of good taste.


30 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I raised that you should never make fun of anyone’s race, ethnicity, or religion.

However, radical Islam is more of a dangerous ideology than it is a religion.


31 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:22 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: cuban leaf

But if you were not a Christian, why would you (in the first place) think that there were errors in your faith?


32 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:44 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Making fun of faith may be bad manners but it does not warrant a violent or lethal response.
If your faith can't hold up to a little mockery, then what good is it?
Every faith have some idiosyncrasies to poke at, whole careers have been made of it.
The Muslim overreaction to every little slight is the problem, any suggestion that the cartoonists or any other victim of Islamic terrorism "asked for it" does not hold water.

33 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:51 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Vermont Lt

First I would have to acknowledge Islam as a religion and not a cult, secondly I am only polite to those that deserve it.


34 posted on 01/16/2015 7:57:32 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Vermont Lt

Correct, people should be polite.
But do you actually think that we should follow the Pope’s example seriously and punch people in the nose if they insult our religious sensibilities?
I would think that you would agree that being the Pope is a serious job and that hundreds of millions of people take his words seriously.
So, perhaps you are right, we shouldn’t take his words too seriously. If that’s the case, we really shouldn’t take this buffoon too seriously either.
If you do take the Pope seriously, when should we care about what he says and when should we not?
Personally, I think that the Pope should be careful in his words when speaking to the public whether on small matters or large ones.

Luke 16:10
He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.


35 posted on 01/16/2015 7:57:59 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats & GOPe delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

If I were at a march where every religion and faith under the sun was being mocked, it wouldn’t bother me one bit to march in that Hebdo-like march.

It would not affect my faith in Jesus Christ, as their mockery would not have any bearing on what I believe, would not affect it one whit, and would not affect the faith that I have in the One in whom I believe in.


36 posted on 01/16/2015 7:58:24 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
you will have to suck it up, and temporarily suspend your offense over your own faith being mocked and go all-out for free speech

That is your rule, and I reject it.

/johnny

37 posted on 01/16/2015 7:59:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The only time Jesus got angry was with the money changers in the temple. I wonder how much money the Vatican has in the bank, property and art.


38 posted on 01/16/2015 7:59:32 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: Star Traveler

But the people who craft the cartoons at Charlie Hebdo have mocked the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob in the past along with mocking Islam and Mohammed.


39 posted on 01/16/2015 7:59:50 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: BitWielder1

Violence and lethal responses are NEVER acceptable.

But how long would it take before people started throwing punches at a Charlie-Hebdo like march where Jesus, Mohammed, Jewish rabbis, the Pope, Mary, the Buddha, etc, were being mocked?


40 posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:10 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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