Posted on 02/04/2015 2:42:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
TOTAL: $150,000
Next question: What if they refuse to pay?
Why aren’t Republicans and conservatives highlighting these stories?
So since Americans have a right to own guns, do gun shops have to sell to anyone?
Since alcoholism is a disability, do liquor stores and bars have to serve drunks?
If people can cross our border illegally and get away with it, why are bakers required to make cakes?
I would imagine that they would get their wages taken out automatically. If they couldn’t pay, they would end up in jail. I think they should appeal until they don’t have any appeals left. That should get them at least 5-10 years and by then 150K will be like 20K.
I’d really like to see a huge conservative outcry. Where are Christians of all denominations?
CRICKETS.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
And they would owe their lawyers 500k in today’s dollars.
it’s a private business that serves its clients.
it’s not a “place of public accomodation” like a park or rental space.
further the way to get around this is either to state clearly they don’t have the expertise/skilset to properly do (whatever), or state that that kind of thing falls under their advanced/special services area, which costs a minimum of at least $100,000 to start. they do have the right to specify special services and special packages and set the price however they want, nobody is forced to buy it. Unless businesses can’t determine what they consider normal or special services, and can’t set their own prices anymore.
Oh.....Didn’t take that into consideration. You are right. I wonder what they will do then.
The story is just being discussed. Give it time. It takes awhile before uprises happen. Perhaps it will happen for this story.
Case needs to appealed. Hope a good lawyer takes it on Pro Bono!
Last I read, Both Freedom of Expression and the 13th Amendment are applicable. He has the right under the 1st to express his religion and Hobby Lobby confirms it applies to his type of business. As far as forcing him to labor for another against his will, with no contract for specific performance it would violate the 13th. It involves personal labor not just the selling of a fungible good.
I mean there are so many arguments to use to defend. I hope their attorneys use them all, correctly, and well.
They can always go bankrupt.
Well, in this case, it’s something specified in the law. In regards to drunks, you can be criminally liable if you serve a drunk and you can lose your liquor license. In regards to guns, who you can sell to and “how” is specified, too.
“they do have the right to specify special services and special packages”
Interesting argument. Say they did charge $1000 extra for a gay cake. The gay couple would argue that is discrimination also. The bakers could then argue then that gays are the same as everyone else, they require no special cake. The bakers then claim they choose not to serve them for personal reasons, which they have a right to do as private business owners.
The thing to do ... is simply ... CHANGE THE LAW. That’s how you apply your “political force”.
THEN ... it can be appealed on Constitutional grounds, if it is as you say ... and they will win (again, given that your stated understanding here is correct).
They’d go to jail if they don’t pay. I’d like to see what happens if these people go to jail for not making a gay cake. They would become martyrs.
File a law suit when eating just cake is not enough.
Generally, I’m more of a libertarian so I know I get into trouble here where I don’t have a problem with same sex marriage here. However, I do support people to have the right to follow their conscience like these bakers who refuse to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. Instead of raising a stink about it or making a law, the idea under our capitalist system is to find another baker who will do it or do it on their own. Forcing people to go against their principles and conscience is wrong. No one should be forced by the law to do this.
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