Posted on 02/06/2015 2:46:03 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
Ithaca, N.Y. — Despite the efforts of local officials, vaccination rates for some Ithaca schools are significantly lower than both the New York State and national averages.
How at risk is Ithaca? There are no reported cases here, but state statistics show that some Ithaca area schools have vaccination rates for measles as low as 72 percent — compared to the average rate of 95 percent for the state at large.
The 95 percent figure is key, because it’s the rate at which an “effective herd immunity” is established to prevent the spread of a disease like measles
Ithaca [is] home to Cornell University and a population dotted with independent thinkers and neo-hippies,...
Some of the reluctance to vaccinate, in Ithaca and similar enclaves of well-educated contrarians around the country, stems from a suspicion — completely discounted by medical experts and public health officials — that vaccines are linked to autism or other illnesses.
(Excerpt) Read more at ithacavoice.com ...
“”I guess kids must dropping like flies in Ithaca. It’s a holocaust!””
Shhhhhhh - let sleeping dogs lie - namely the “expert on all matters” from TX who took over the vaccination threads yesterday and insulted everyone disagreeing with him. Don’t yank his chain again!
I won’t even tell him I used to live in Ithaca as he will believe he was right in calling me a LEFT WINGER!! HA! Couldn’t convince him otherwise.
Lived in Ithaca and worked at Cornell but it bore no resemblance in the fifties to what is there today!
A great many pro lifers are not Catholic. So I take offense to the ‘even the Catholic Church’. The Catholic Churches opinion and position on using great vats of cells derived from an aborted baby that would be 50+ years old means little to me.
Are you seriously equating lack of support for fetal stem cell research with ‘witch doctory’?
Mengele would be proud!
Murdered babies for the greater good. You’re sick. I’ll pray for you.
...and I'll pray for your kids that they don't die bcause you're too ignorant to keep them from getting a preventable disease.
The current vaccines aren't made from fetal tissue. That's why the Catholic Church (yeah, those guys are REALLY pro-abortion) doesn't oppose vaccination.
Or are you one of those Jack Chick reading anti-Catholic bigots?
There are ways a parent can opt out of getting the vaccination for their kids.
What amazes me is how the media has formed the narrative that its right wing wackos who are refusing the MMR shots, when in fact it’s white liberal elitists in places like Ithaca and Marin County that are refusing the shots.
Do you support fetal stem cell research?
Yes or no.
So...using your logic, you can't use a computer becuase IBM (wrongly, evilly) worked with the Nazis 70+ years ago.
Considering that IBM's software is more or less the forerunner to all modern personal computers, how are you posting here?
Must be magic. Otherwise, you'd be benefitting from science that was developed by evil people.
And you'd never be that hypocritical.
Unfortunately, we have nutjobs right here at Free Republic who think modern vaccines are made from dead babies. So it isn't going to be hard for the MSM to smear conservatives with this .
The Nazis weren’t evil because they used computers. Or drove cars. Or used electricity.
They were evil because they participated in human experimentation and genocide.
Do you support fetal stem research?
Mengele would!
Punch cards, also called Hollerith cards after IBM founder Herman Hollerith, were the forerunner of the computers that IBM is famous for today. The punch cards were used for, and a great of their development occurred in service of, creating software to catalog, track and kill millions of people.
If, as you argue, technology of the present (vaccines) based on evil events of the past, despite decades of attenuation, remains tainted and can't be used, you can't use computers.
So get off that devil's keyboard you hypocrite.
Wow. I guess you do support fetal stem cell research after all.
Well, the infowars nuts are just as bad as some of the celebrities, in fact, some of them at the words of their master follow the celebrities words.
The only part I think is wierd is the fact that somehow wealthier areas like Ithaca, NY seem to be where plenty of people aren’t giving their kids the shots? I mean, chances are your insurance at least covers it, or you could easily afford it? What’s going on? My best guess is hubris based on the fact that they didn’t see measles cases, but I could be wrong.
There was nothing at that link that I didn’t already know. There was nothing at that link that approved of using vaccines created from murdred babies. In fact, the site stated that alternative vaccines are to be requested. If you look at the link I provided you will see that there are no alternatives for quite a few.
As far as your name calling and projection, I take that as the usual sign that you have no valid argument, which the paragraph above also proves. Good day.
The cell lines wouldn’t exist except for an abortion having taken place. Fetal stem cell research is conducted in much the same way. I’m to assume you’re OK with fetal stem cell research as well?
Please read these two articles, written by physicians who are also very much pro-life and firmly against abortion.
Vaccine Myth #13: Vaccinations are made from aborted babies
And
Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissue
Yes it is true that the MMR and Chicken Pox and a few other vaccines are grown on human cell lines that were obtained from two abortions, both performed by the way in the early 1960’s. That doesn’t in any way make the original abortions OK or “moral”, but those cell lines are self-replicating and the abortions were not performed in order to obtain the cells for medical research but more importantly, no further abortions are or have been used or are even necessary in order to propagate the cell lines used to grow the viruses necessary to produce these vaccines.
Some viruses and bacteria used in the production of vaccines can be grown in non-human animal cells, chicken eggs most often, but some like the MMR and Chicken Pox, are so specific that they can only propagate in human cells. Until an alternative to using those human cell lines that came from those two abortions are found,
And it is also important to know that these vaccines do not contain fetal “tissues”.
Well intentioned pro-life groups like Children of God for Life’s, IMO do more harm than good to the pro-life movement by repeating falsehoods regarding vaccines. They tend to paint a picture of some sort of endless assembly line of just aborted babies coming out of Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills and then being shipped to pharmaceutical companies were evil scientists implant viruses into their poor sweet lifeless bodies and harvest them, these babies blood and tissues and body parts making their way into the vaccines that we give our children. Nothing could be farther from the actual truth.
As far as embryonic stem cell research, that is quite different from the two human cell lines obtained from abortions that took place in the early 1960’s that are used for the MMR and Chicken Pox vaccines and other important medical research purposes.
The embryonic stem cell research cannot by at least current Federal law come from abortions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell_laws_and_policy_in_the_United_States#Federal_law
Where they do come from is from the four to five day old embryos “left over” from in vitro fertilization (IVF).
https://www.cirm.ca.gov/our-progress/myths-and-misconceptions-about-stem-cell-research
That is still very wrong in my opinion and not so very much different from abortion as it kills a fertilized egg that is at that point is a human life and that is why when my husband and I were undergoing infertility treatments, trying to have a baby, we decided against IVF for ethical and moral reasons. We were not at all OK with the idea that IVF might result in more fertilized embryos than could be safely implanted and that the “others” would be discarded, or at our option, donated to other infertile couples or donated for medical research or indefinitely “frozen” for later use. While our particular chances of our having that many eggs fertilized even with IVF were slim, we were not willing to take the chance that some “extras” might be fertilized.
But to say that the embryonic cells come from aborted fetuses, coming from abortion mills, is not exactly true either.
When it comes to the very real moral dilemma of deciding whether you should have your child immunized for the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine because of its link to abortion, consider that Measles and Rubella can cause miscarriages in pregnant women, pre-term and dangerously low weight births and in some cases, cause serious and deadly birth defects. Also consider that refusing to get your children vaccinated will not in any way have any effect on the number of abortions performed and will in no way bring back the lives of those two babies aborted in the 1960’s. Refusing to get your child vaccinated will in no way decrease the number of abortions performed. Women who “choose” to murder their babies and the doctors and nurses who participate in these murders will not stop doing so just because you refuse vaccinations.
But getting your child vaccinated may not only prevent him or her from suffering a rare but if developed, often fatal or life- long complication, but just as importantly, being immunized means they will not only not get sick, but that he or she will not be able to transmit the disease to someone without any defenses such as babies too young to be immunized, those with compromised immune systems like children and adults with cancer, or those who cannot be immunized because of legitimate medical reasons. Are their lives not important as well?
not including the left wing element, the weather, taxes, and economy in the ithaca area make it very difficult. granted, it is beautiful in the summer, but to me its not enough to outweigh the negatives.
Thank you
They contain fetal DNA.
The manufacturers are allowed to keep the actual amount secret as a ‘trade secret’.
This is not up for discussion. This is admitted in manufacturer documentatation.
Inject them if you wish, don’t expect the rest of us to do so.
Other countries have no problem making vaccines available that do not contain fetal DNA.
The Rubella vaccine in Japan is not grown in tissue derived from an abortion.
It isn’t accurate to say not sick, as a shot and booster did not prevent me from measles when I was six years old. But complications, sure.
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