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Sowell: Measles, Vaccines and Autism
Creators Syndicate ^ | February 10, 2015 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 02/09/2015 11:01:01 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: left that other site

Today there was “panic” in Atlanta as ONE child had been confirmed with measles and now a complete OUTBREAK has happened.

Then this little line states in the article:

“The infected infant arrived in Atlanta from outside of the U.S. and is being cared for at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta at Egleston.”

Another damn Mexican bringing the diseases Americans won’t bring. This is pure propaganda and I’m not buying for one second that Americans are getting the disease like the MSM claims. Amazing how many here believe this nonsense.


41 posted on 02/09/2015 1:10:15 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: grania

He gives the evidence of why it is a false claim. Read the article, it isn’t that long.


42 posted on 02/09/2015 1:13:41 PM PST by tiki
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To: grania
Until the cause(s) for the dramatic rise in autism is established, it should be "unsubstantiated claims" instead of "false claims". They can't be false claims until it's know what's true?

Dr. Sowell points out, if you read the article, that the definition of autism has been expanded to include other forms of mental retardation and that this accounts for the increase in the number of children with "autism".

The article also points out that the link between vaccination and autism was established by one (1) study - of twelve (12) children. Since then numerous studies of tens and hundreds of thousands of children have shown no correlation between vaccines and autism. The study of twelve children showing an increased incidence may have been worthy of prompting more studies but now we know the results of the broader studies. Unfortunately the broader studies made the scientific literature but not the all important tabloid press and conspiracy blogs.

Maybe parents who are concerned about vaccines giving their children autism should move on to a greater threat - like power lines giving their children leukemia. (/sarc)

43 posted on 02/09/2015 1:15:55 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Flu season: Wash your hands.)
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To: tiki

I read the article. I’m not convinced that there isn’t an increase in autism. Perhaps if someone could figure out what does cause autism, we’d be able to ascertain if the cause is more prevelent.


44 posted on 02/09/2015 1:26:18 PM PST by grania
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

As I just posted to someone else who talked to me: until a cause for autism can be determined, it’s impossible to say if that cause is or is not more prevalent. Even if, as you believe, it’s not more common, that still doesn’t tell us why autism exists.


45 posted on 02/09/2015 1:28:54 PM PST by grania
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To: grania

Agreed, that doesn’t tell us why autism exists. One of the problems with expanding the definition is that it is now so broad that it probably incorporates multiple afflictions with multiple causes, making progress in developing treatments all the more difficult. Unfortunately nothing in the scientific literature will ever be able to explain why bad things happen to good, innocent people.


46 posted on 02/09/2015 1:36:01 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Flu season: Wash your hands.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Correct. Dr Thompson, one of the CDC authors of a 2004 paper, has admitted that CDC removed the stats which linked the MMR vaccine to autism. President Obama granted Dr. Thompson whistle blower immunity several months ago. Sharyl Attkittson has recorded phone conversations on her investigation of this vaccine/autism coverup. Whether or not any of this will come out if/when there are Congressional hearings is anyone’s guess.


47 posted on 02/09/2015 2:14:14 PM PST by PCRit
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To: grania

Well, no. Studies showed no relationship...therefore a claim of a relationship is false.


48 posted on 02/09/2015 2:36:22 PM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: PCRit
Debunked long ago. The study didn't show a correlation except for black boys immunized at the under 36 month cutoff, and even then they found the correlation to be likely the immunization requirement for enrollment in special needs schools.

No correlation with girls or any other race of boys, which would make no sense.

In light that no other study has ever shown causation, both CDC and non-CDC sanctioned studies, it's simply Trutherism to say that there's some sort of conspiracy:

The CDC "whistleblower" William W. Thompson: Final (for now) roundup and epilogue

49 posted on 02/09/2015 3:21:43 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: jazusamo

Don’t know why I even click on Sowell threads. Never liked him and then he turned Establishment and went off half cocked on Ted. That was the end of any respect I never really had for this guy.


50 posted on 02/09/2015 3:58:53 PM PST by uncitizen (They demand we judge them by the color of their skin)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

This is not the first time I have been disappointed by the usually brilliant Dr. Sowell. (sigh)


51 posted on 02/09/2015 4:19:34 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

If you are interested, I have a copy of Brian Williams Memoirs.


52 posted on 02/09/2015 4:21:50 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Ditto

Measles is a very dangerous infection in infants and young children. It can and does kill. Mumps in adolescents can and does lead to multiple complications from meningitis to sterility.

Measles and mumps would be a non issue with infants and young children because their bio moms would have had the diseases and conferred immunity. As my doc said when the vaccine first came out: the deaths pool has been moved from compromised older children and adults to infants.


53 posted on 02/09/2015 4:48:00 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup
Measles and mumps would be a non issue with infants and young children because their bio moms would have had the diseases and conferred immunity.

Where in the hell did you pick up that bit of total disinformation?

If that were at all true, infectious diseases would have been naturally eliminated in a generation or two.

54 posted on 02/09/2015 5:44:18 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Where in the hell did you pick up that bit of total disinformation?

If that were at all true, infectious diseases would have been naturally eliminated in a generation or two.

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The immunity last until they are 1 to 2 years old. From my 1975 Microbiology and Pathology book.


55 posted on 02/09/2015 5:56:50 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup
The immunity last until they are 1 to 2 years old. From my 1975 Microbiology and Pathology book.

Do you realize that is total BS for serious infections? I suspect you are misreading your textbook.

Breast feeding infants does impute some level of immunity for infection, but it does nothing for more serious infections especially deadly ones.

Again, use your brain. If what you say is true, all infections would have been eliminated centuries ago. We would all be immune. Instead were are still dealing with age old infections among those not vaccinated!

Think. Did you have Chicken Pox as a kid? Did your mother have them also? The answer to both is likely Yes.

56 posted on 02/09/2015 6:31:56 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Do you realize that is total BS for serious infections? I suspect you are misreading your textbook.

Breast feeding infants does impute some level of immunity for infection, but it does nothing for more serious infections especially deadly ones.

Again, use your brain. If what you say is true, all infections would have been eliminated centuries ago. We would all be immune. Instead were are still dealing with age old infections among those not vaccinated!

Think. Did you have Chicken Pox as a kid? Did your mother have them also? The answer to both is likely Yes.
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I am not talking about breastfeeding. I don’t know where you got that idea. Mother transfer of antibody immunities via placenta provides immunity for baby until ages one to two.


57 posted on 02/09/2015 6:47:28 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: WayneS
I honestly think the uptick in measles, etc. is a result of the recent importation of tens of thousands of children with NO shot records and, most likely, no shots.

It's also funny how we don't even question whether these kids got a bad batch of vaccine and this is really a failure in the manufacturing process. There is no easy way to see if these kids had similar lot numbers or not. Also did the vaccine manufacturers change vendors on their raw-materials? I suspect a lot more of their chemicals are coming from china and india. Are these really the chemicals they think they are or like the Dog treat scandal are the vendors pulling the old switcharoo.

58 posted on 02/09/2015 6:50:26 PM PST by stig
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To: Chickensoup
I am not talking about breastfeeding. I don’t know where you got that idea. Mother transfer of antibody immunities via placenta provides immunity for baby until ages one to two.

Again, BS. But even if true, after age one or two -- What then?

Believe what you want, and God bless your children if you don't get them vaccinated. We have been living in an isolated vacuum for a few decades. That's all over now.

I'm old enough to remember going to school with kids with crutches and braces on their legs because of Polio. I recall my mother being terrified that one of her kids would come down with it.

Vaccines ended that --- we thought.

Now, people don't want to vaccinate their kids, and open borders with people flooding in unchecked, unscreened, from literal 3rd world hell holes -- well, it does not take a microbiologist to figure out what's going to happen again.

59 posted on 02/09/2015 7:23:08 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Again, BS. But even if true, after age one or two — What then?

Believe what you want, and God bless your children if you don’t get them vaccinated. We have been living in an isolated vacuum for a few decades. That’s all over now.

I’m old enough to remember going to school with kids with crutches and braces on their legs because of Polio. I recall my mother being terrified that one of her kids would come down with it.

Vaccines ended that -— we thought.

Now, people don’t want to vaccinate their kids, and open borders with people flooding in unchecked, unscreened, from literal 3rd world hell holes — well, it does not take a microbiologist to figure out what’s going to happen again.
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I never said I did not vaccinate my children. That is your drama.

I said that there is a world of difference between the diseases of diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and polio which are far reaching killers, and the childhood diseases of measles mumps rubella and chickenpox which are for the most parts inconvenient and as my doctor once called the chickenpox vaccine, convenient for daycare mothers. I also said that when female children stopped having the childhood diseases, that they were unable to pass the immunity onto their infants via placenta. And as an epidimoligist friend pointed out, the small death pool from the disease changed from being compromised children to infants.

I said no more than that.


60 posted on 02/09/2015 7:44:50 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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