Drive to Limit Washington's Power Wins Support of Tom Coburn

Washington Examiner ^ | February 10th 2015 | Paul Bedard

[i_robot73]

A32 - non-starter, not required. The language is plain and easily read, it’s lawyers and judges (I repeat myself) whom twisted the plain English meaning or toss out sections all together.

Might as well ‘re-affirm’ A1 - 10 since nobody in D.C. understands Federalism, limited gov’t, etc.

But, A31, I’ve been a HUGE proponent of the same!

Like A33 as well, but again, unnecessary IF/WHEN the Constitution is followed.

[HLPhat]

Great opportunity for the tyrannical majority of Useful Idiots to create chaos... and the civil war the wolves are salivating about.

NO SALE

The biggest problem with the present constitution is NOBODY IS USING IT.

[dware]

They still have to get them passed by the states.

If you don't think the back room deals have already started, you're wrong. And on top of that, you're putting your faith in the GOP to stop the leftists. That WON'T happen. Go ahead. Y'all are just all about this Article V idea and, in the end, it's WILL bite you on the a$$. But you don't need to believe me. You'll see it soon enough.

[Jim from C-Town]

By all means then let’s do nothing. We can rely on Boehner and McConnel and the RINO’s to bring us back to a sustainable reality.

Just keep voting Republican!

[dware]

Just keep voting Republican!

No thanks! I actually love my Country. Now had you suggested that I continue stockpiling 7.62, I'd agree.

[Jim from C-Town]

Sure. You stand a chance against the Army, the Air Force and the Obama Shock Troops with your semi-automatic rifle.

I suggest we find a peaceful solution to our post constitutional society. I assure you a civil war is not the answer and regardless of how well fitted out your bunker in Crazyville is, you personally would lose right along with all the others who think they can prepare for mayhem by stockpiling rice and ammo.

Hence, Article 5. It was expressly added to the Constitution by people significantly more intelligent than either of us for the exact reasons we are witnessing today, an out of control central government.

[dware]

you personally would lose right along with all the others who think they can prepare for mayhem by stockpiling rice and ammo.

As Pat Henry so aptly put it: "May your chains rest lightly, and may posterity forget you were our countrymen."

I paraphrase, but the sentiment is there.

[Jacquerie]

What are you afraid of losing which hasn’t been already lost?

[Jim from C-Town]

Right.

You seem to have little knowledge of how a Convention of the States is set up.

It does not open up the Constitution to a complete rewrite. It is simply another means of proposing amendments to the Constitution. It does not mean there are no pitfalls and possible traps in this type of approach. It simply means it is a better alternative than open rebellion or continued reliance on elections of Congressmen and Senators to enact the will of the people. They have been proved to be ineffective or simply too beholden to their own self interests to do so.

It would simply bypass congress. It would not rely on 2/3 of the Congress to propose amendments. The States would call for a Convention and appoint those who would participate. The Convention could propose one amendment or one thousand amendments. None would become part of the Constitution without first passing 3/4 (75%) 38 of the state legislatures.

That does not mean that all the amendments would be Conservative in nature, but since the delegates would be chosen by the state legislatures and presently 37 of those legislating bodies are Republican controlled, it is very likely that several would be Conservative in nature and those would have a much greater chance of reaching the 3/4 hurdle of approval.

It is a serious plan to reign in the government over reach. Unlike the insanity of espousing open rebellion or holding up in a hole in the ground while the country implodes. That won’t happen.

First sign of mass hysteria and civil unrest and the Left would push for a dictator to control order and a majority of the population would agree as they are little more than lemmings anyway.

Once that happens, your bunker and rifle will effectively be useless, except as a means of suicide by higher authority when the Army, or more likely a well trained police department or National Guard slaughters you with less effort than they would exert while swatting a fly.

You probably wouldn’t even make the evening news unless it was as a cautionary tale against standing up to the all powerful government.

[dware]

It does not open up the Constitution to a complete rewrite.

I never said it did. I know what Article V is.

It is simply another means of proposing amendments to the Constitution.

You mean, like the 2nd Amendment, that the Founders included as a means of resisting tyranny? Obama knows what Article V is, too. As I've previously mentioned, he's certainly on board with amending the Constitution.

The States would call for a Convention and appoint those who would participate.

And the moment the left gets wind that their agenda is under threat, do you really think they will keep quiet?

That does not mean that all the amendments would be Conservative in nature

Now you're catching on!

since the delegates would be chosen by the state legislatures and presently 37 of those legislating bodies are Republican controlled

1. You have far too much faith in the GOP, and 2. What makes you think they will vote in your favor? Unless regulations are passed by each state to the contrary, the delegates are under no obligation to vote Conservative.

It is a serious plan to reign in the government over reach.

I agree. BUT - it WON'T be all sunshine and roses, as you guys are touting it to be

Unlike the insanity of espousing open rebellion or holding up in a hole in the ground while the country implodes. That won’t happen.

The Founders espoused open rebellion. Only 3% if the population supported them. I don't plan on holding up in any hole. If it comes down to it, I'll fight to the death for my Country and my rights. If I die in the process, well, at least I can say I actually love my Country and had balls enough to match the Founders legacy.

Apparently, I need to remind you that the Founders were told the VERY same thing you are telling me. They were outnumbered by the most powerful army in the world at the time. There was no way in hell they would ever win.

Well, God works in mysterious ways.

[Jim from C-Town]

OK. What do you propose? Outright insurgence? Armed rebellion? Terrorist activities against the government? Civil disobedience?

No one is saying that Article 5 is easy. It has never been done. But barring the above, it is our only legitimate option to bloodlessly turn the tide of Federal over reach.

Please, enlighten us with your vast knowledge, or is it ignorance with a healthy dash of self-aggrandizing arrogance.

As far as the Colonists fighting the Crown. The British had the Worlds largest and best military, but was still only wind powered ships and ground troops armed with muskets supported by sword wielding cavalry. They also had the great disadvantage of fighting in a location 3,500 + miles and an Ocean away from their center of power. They where also further troubled by a larger War with their Nemesis France and other rebellions and local problems in far flung regions of their Empire that prevented a truly concerted effort against the Colonists.

You and your ilk would be facing tanks and howitzers, F-35 jets and Navy Seals, and a militarized police force of millions based only dozens of miles if not only a few blocks from your bunker.
“If it comes down to it, I’ll fight to the death for my Country and my rights. If I die in the process, well, at least I can say I actually love my Country and had balls enough to match the Founders legacy”
In all politeness I call Bologna!
I highly doubt you will go down fighting. If you do I assure you it will be a whimper and barely registered if registered at all. I doubt you will be remembered as the modern day Pompeii and your pontificating would hardly remind one of Cicero.
I would expect your quick surrender after the authorities disconnected you from the local power grid and waited until you used all your fuel stock piles on your portable generator. Once your ice cream melted for lack of electric power, you would give up. Regardless, all your pontifications are little more than empty bluster, whereas there is an actual Conservative movement to impanel an Article 5 Convention of the States.
Perhaps you could put your energies into pushing your elected representatives at the State level to vote for it and then lobby for real amendments that would make a difference. Simply repealing the 17th amendment would eliminate many of our problems.

[HLPhat]

I’m not afraid of loosing anything.

If you think the RINOs perched on the steps of the kleptocratic state-establishment will vote themselves out of power - well, history contradicts your belief.

[Jacquerie]

WTF are you talking about?

[HLPhat]

Reality.

[Jacquerie]

Thank you for expressing your feelings.

[HLPhat]

What's the The Party(tm)'s conviction rate so far?

How many people went to jail when (Secretary of Commerce) Penny Pritzker's Chicago family owned superior bank failed in 2001 from its innovations in subprime ACORN farming?

How many people went to jail when Jorge Bushe's Ambassador to the Netherland's Ameriquest was falsifying thousands of FICO scores on the loan apps they flushed into the global economic sewer?

And you think the organized criminal political whores who were bought with all that a$$paper, on BOTH sides of the aisle, will just vote themselves out of power?

L frigging OL.

[dware]

OK. What do you propose?

I propose outright civil rebellion. You see, the Declaration says:

"...Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the CONSENT of the governed."

This means that we CONSENT to the destruction of our freedoms by participating in it. Example:

Tired of a corrupt tax system? You consent to it each and every time you file your taxes. Tired of a crooked financial system? You consent to it each time you spend or accept an FRN. Tired of the destruction of our 2nd Amendment rights? You consent to that destruction every time you walk into a gun store and submit to a background check or ask permission for a permit to carry a concealed firearm. Here's a clue: STOP CONSENTING!!!

But no, you are far too concerned about being able to make the mortgage or car payment...too worried about being able to pop off at the liquor mart on payday and being able to buy that 6 pack of suds to drink while watching the ball game on that new big screen TV. You see, the second you stop consenting, all of those things come under immediate risk.

If you do I assure you it will be a whimper and barely registered if registered at all. I doubt you will be remembered as the modern day Pompeii and your pontificating would hardly remind one of Cicero.

All I will worry about is what I gave to the cause. I don't want to be remembered as you mention. No desire. I also have no desire to start anything big. When I go, I will be able to say that I stood tall regardless, while my "countrymen" surrendered.

Perhaps you could put your energies into pushing your elected representatives at the State level to vote for it and then lobby for real amendments that would make a difference.

I've worked within the system for over 20 years. The course is set. You're not going to change anything.

Simply repealing the 17th amendment would eliminate many of our problems.

You really think that'll happen? And you call me ignorant.

[Jim from C-Town]

Please, stop paying your taxes.Better yet send the IRS a letter stating your intention to rebel against the government. I hope you can get internet access in prison.
BTW I don’t drink. Stop projecting onto me.

You are talking nonsense.