Resurrecting Lincoln

Townhall.com ^ | February 17. 2015 | John Ransom

[IncPen]

IBTLC

_{(In Before the Lost Causers)}

[Kaslin]

I sure am glad you defined that. Thanks

[NTHockey]

I don’t want to start CWII (although there is sufficient reason provided by the half breed), Lincoln had serious deficiencies.

Habeus Corpus was suspended, the draft was a disaster and the first income tax was imposed West Virginia was admitted as a state, unconstitutionally. Maryland and Delaware legislators were barred from meeting to vote for secession. Nevada’s constitution was imposed making the state subservient to the feds.

[Tupelo]

He was able to accomplish this revolutionary object through passive management of the Civil War without turning it in to a “remorseless revolutionary struggle,” which might have irreparably divided the nation during Reconstruction.
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I have to disagree with Mr. Ransom on this sentence. I think the unCivil War did Irreparably divide the nation, both during and after Reconstruction. Everything from the Scalawags and Carpetbaggers to the KKK came out of that war and the Reconstruction that followed. All we have to do is look at the way the South is portrayed in the North and how the North is portrayed in the South. As I said, I think this nation is irreparably divided.

[vetvetdoug]

Stanton was a necrophiliac. There is quite the information about him in a few libraries that are dedicated to Lincoln.

[ml/nj]

I wish America would know Lincoln more thoroughly, because his heart still shines so brightly for us all, not just as a president, but mostly as a man.

I too wish Americans would know Lincoln more thoroughly. For starters I would suggest reading Adams' When in the Course of Human Events (or even just the reviews of it at Amazon) and Edgar Lee Masters' Lincoln, The Man. (Masters is pretty good but he doesn't include the bit where "Honest Abe" abandoned his family on a train that he feared would be attacked.)

ML/NJ

[rockrr]

Why would I want to read slander?

[MikefromOhio]

It’s fun pointing out to the lost causers that Lee was (and reamins) a traitor to the United States and that all of the southern politicians were completely and totally outclassed by Lincoln at every turn.

[DoodleDawg]

Habeus Corpus was suspended, the draft was a disaster and the first income tax was imposed West Virginia was admitted as a state, unconstitutionally. Maryland and Delaware legislators were barred from meeting to vote for secession. Nevada’s constitution was imposed making the state subservient to the feds.

Only about a third of that was even close to being correct.

[DoodleDawg]

I too wish Americans would know Lincoln more thoroughly. For starters I would suggest reading Adams' When in the Course of Human Events (or even just the reviews of it at Amazon) and Edgar Lee Masters' Lincoln, The Man. (Masters is pretty good but he doesn't include the bit where "Honest Abe" abandoned his family on a train that he feared would be attacked.)

I suggest that biographies of Linoln by David Herbert Donald and Ronald C. White, Jr. are better sources.

[vetvetdoug]

If Secession was illegal, why was West Virginia allowed to do so from Virginia?

[central_va]

If Secession was illegal, why was West Virginia allowed to do so from Virginia?

Shhhhhh. You're not supposed to talk about that.

[DoodleDawg]

If Secession was illegal, why was West Virginia allowed to do so from Virginia?

The process for splitting a state into two separate states in included in Article IV, Section 3. Both the Congress and the body recognized by the government as the legitimate Virginia legislature voted to partition, as the Constitution allows.

But let me turn the question around. If secession is legal then why the beef about West Virginia?

[Georgia Girl 2]

He tried to have the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court arrested. Lets don’t forget that one. Lincoln was certainly shining brightly that day. (sarc)

[vetvetdoug]

If secession is legal then why the beef about West Virginia?

If secession is legal then why was the South called traitors?

[DoodleDawg]

If secession is legal then why was the South called traitors?

Point of view. One man's traitor is another man's freedom fighter.

[DoodleDawg]

He tried to have the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court arrested.

Actually no he didn't. But don't let that stand in your way.

[iowamark]

He tried to have the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court arrested.

Absolute nonsense. Lincoln and Roger Taney had strong differences over slavery and the war. However, Lincoln would never have been foolish enough to arrest the old man and make a hero out of him.

[iowamark]

It is unfair to say that Thomas Lincoln had no ambition. Rather, his only ambition was to be a frontier farmer. Abraham Lincoln wanted to learn to read from an early age. This set them apart, as Thomas saw reading as a waste of time.