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The GOP and Immigration: Part of a Much Bigger Problem
townhall.com ^ | 2/23/15 | Jay Cost

Posted on 02/23/2015 5:44:39 AM PST by cotton1706

Why is the Republican Party so unreliable on the immigration issue?

There is little doubt that they are unreliable. Conservatives want iron-clad border-security measures firmly in place before any legalization process begins. Yet GOP members of Congress are eager to switch it around, and then accept milquetoast security.

It is strange. After all, congressional Republicans are not bad on taxes; they’re not secretly looking to hike the rate you’ll pay the IRS in April. They’re not bad on regulation; they are serious when they say they want less, not more red tape.

Why immigration? This is, after all, a party-based democracy, and the GOP is the party that represents the conservative grassroots. Yet the two diverge on this issue -- pretty substantially. What is going on?

The answer usually comes back: business interests. They want the cheap labor from legalization, and all sorts of other groups -- agricultural or fishing concerns, for instance -- want new carveouts for their own industries. They ply members of Congress with money, lobby them aggressively, provide them with cushy jobs after they leave office, and presto: the base asks for one thing, the party offers another.

This is all true, but it misses a larger story, one that highlights just how difficult it will be for conservatives to really change the way government works.

If you ever visit Washington, D.C. you might discover it is a study in contrast. Go down to the National Mall, tour the Congress, walk past the White House, and the buildings all reflect a kind of simple, almost austere republican virtue. Nothing too fancy -- nothing like Buckingham Palace or Versailles. Just sturdy yet impressive structures that reflect our belief that the people temporarily occupying those buildings are no better than anybody else.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; elections

1 posted on 02/23/2015 5:44:40 AM PST by cotton1706
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Why are GOPeers squishy on immigration.....the answer is business interests who want cheap labor, and groups from agricultural and/or fishing concerns who want new carveouts for their industries...

THE CHEAP LABOR EXPRESS

COMING TO AMERICA-- murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves and drug dealers, paid agents of foreign govt's advocating the overthrow of the US govt. Coming to infest your communities, schools and workplaces w/ drugs, crimes and disease.

They're Coming to America but not on the LI Limited. No running water and flush toilets on those trains. How did the "new students and employees" handle body wastes on the trip over the border?

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Those who advocate open borders should take heed. Huge quantities of heroin and cocaine have flooded across our borders, smuggled by pernicious drug trafficking organizations who've set up distribution networks allover the United States. Tens of billions of dollars from the drug trade, flow into the coffers of transnational drug trafficking organizations and international terrorist organizations.

There have been thousands of accusations of human rights abuse, extortion, and even reports of murder on the freight trains transporting undocumented migrants to the US border.

The real eye-opener is that these freight train companies are involved in the Narco trade, and one report makes it clear that the companies are aware of the abusive practices their train operators are engaging in. The border swarm is all about human trafficking, narco-trafficking, and government collusion.

The trains involved are publicly-traded companies, traded on NASDAQ, with "very influential stockholders", such as the billionaire Clintons and billionaire Mexico resident, Carlos Slim. Other stockholders include,T Rowe Price, Bank of America, and General Electric.

2 posted on 02/23/2015 5:52:05 AM PST by Liz
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To: cotton1706
Pay no attention to all that news out there this morning about the threats made about "the Mall of America". "Multiculturalism and diversity are our strength." And we need "less white" Oscar awards.

sarc/

3 posted on 02/23/2015 6:01:49 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Bush "hates black people" but don't you dare accuse Barry of not liking Americans!)
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To: cotton1706
RE:”There is little doubt that they are unreliable. Conservatives want iron-clad border-security measures firmly in place before any legalization process begins. Yet GOP members of Congress are eager to switch it around, and then accept milquetoast security”

before legalization....

4 posted on 02/23/2015 6:06:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: cotton1706
Conservatives want iron-clad border-security measures firmly in place before any legalization process begins

Uh, no. Most conservatives I know are outraged that there is even discussion of a "legalization process".

The right time to begin a "legalization process" is not AFTER iron-clad border security, it is NEVER.

People who want to be "legal" should go to where they are legal already, i.e., back where they came from.

5 posted on 02/23/2015 6:10:43 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. .)
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To: cotton1706

Why immigration?


Because it’s not about immigration.

It’s about cheap labor importation.

Most of the GOP has been bought off by The Cheap Labor Express.

They work for them, not us.

They are traitors to the citizens.

The last 4 Presidential elections have been staged to prevent us from electing a President who would stop the invasion.

That is the only way to stop it.

We MUST elect a President who WILL enforce the laws.


6 posted on 02/23/2015 6:11:11 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace- No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: cotton1706
the GOP is the party that represents the conservative grassroots

They are not, and they never were.

7 posted on 02/23/2015 6:12:14 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. .)
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To: cotton1706

“They want the cheap labor from legalization”

Keeping your wages down.


8 posted on 02/23/2015 6:18:59 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: cotton1706

We’re going for the Brazil model. Mufti racial two tier system. The oligarchs and the have nots.


9 posted on 02/23/2015 6:23:55 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cotton1706

Why are the Republicans so unreliable regarding IMMIGRATION?
Would someone please, kindly, tell me where the Republicans are totally “reliable” on ANYTHING?
Thank you.


10 posted on 02/23/2015 6:41:25 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (N.Y. TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: cotton1706

Also, Congress and the voting public are historically illiterate.
Anyone with with even a little knowledge of history knows what happens when you allow barbarians to settle within your borders and keep their cultural cohesion.


11 posted on 02/23/2015 6:49:09 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: cotton1706

You also have other countries facing exactly the same push to open their borders though, so special interests, certainly, but special interests that are working on a global plan. Somebody is trying to build another kingdom upon which the sun never sets, and they are trying to annex and subjugate all of us.

It’s after all “for our own good”, don’t you know!


12 posted on 02/23/2015 6:55:04 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: cotton1706; Publius; Jacquerie

Actually this is not news as it has been known for decades now. But it’s good to repeat it for the newbies that are peeking into politics for the first time wondering if there is any reasoning behind ‘The Interest Group society’ which the writer penned here.

When one becomes a ‘Member of Congress’ it is quickly observed that there are tens of thousands of voices around Washington DC that compete with and for each ‘Member’. Doing something “for the good of the country” is viewed as idealistic, delusional, impractical, inexperienced, unrealistic. Building a network of powerful interests, media ties, and a campaign war chest is viewed as the only activity that a ‘Member’ can undertake.

But Jay Cost points out the bigger problem is ‘The Interest Group society’ and he is spot on about that.

Now what is to be done?

Fortunately, there is a napalm bomb solution to the subversive character of the Nation’s Capitol. Acquaint yourselves with the following terms, posters and links and concepts:

* History, background, consequences of the 17th Amendment
* Article V
* ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council)
* COS Project (Convention of States)
* FR Poster Publius
* FR Poster Jacquerie
(there are many other fine posters for Article V)
* Mark Levin’s Tour de Force Speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdZuV8JnvvA)

* And the following Constitutional Amendment Proposal:

________________________________________

To redress the balance of powers between the federal government and the States and to restore effective suffrage of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

AMENDMENT XXVIII

Section 1.
A Senator in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2.
Upon a majority vote in two-thirds of state legislatures, federal statutes and federal court decisions shall be overridden.

Section 3.
Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than twelve years.
________________________________________

If Section 1 above is replaced with a repeal of the 17th Amendment, that may be even better but it may be a hard sale. Recalling US Senators gets the job done for state legislatures and it also requires interaction with the voters as they retain the right to vote for their US Senator.

With the above amendment, there would be no Obamacare, no same-sex marriage nonsense and so on. Most of the social issue tyranny would go away. And importantly with respect to Jay Cost’s commentary above, the beginning of the end of the ‘Interest Group Society’ aka the Federal Leviathan, the scale of the corruption in Washington, DC can be permanently adjusted back down to historical manageable proportions.


13 posted on 02/23/2015 9:12:14 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage
This is, after all, a party-based democracy. Jay Cost is right. I think Aristotle would agree. It certainly isn't a federal republic.

Cost wrote a decent column, yet it ended flat.

If conservatives really want to roll back the size and scope of big government, it is this culture -- this interest group society -- that we have to dismantle.

Once again, from another conservative, "We must . . . ." There is no end to conservative ideas on what to do. What is absent is how to do it. INTEREST is what drives everyone. There is zero chance that can be changed. The Framers knew that and designed the government around that fact.

Why is that so difficult for so many to understand?

As long as all of congress is popularly derived, the US will go the way of other corrupted republics since the first millennium BC. It is as certain as sunrise tomorrow.

14 posted on 02/23/2015 11:01:02 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Hostage

Yes, “Napalm Bomb” Rome-on-the-Potomac with an Article V state convention to propose amendments.


15 posted on 02/23/2015 11:04:01 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: cotton1706

They want cheap labor, but once they become legal, the wetbacks will get paid the minimum wage. Where is the savings?

If the Republicans wanted low wages, they should push for a guest worker program. Guest workers probably wouldn’t be subject to US minimum wage laws (or at east can be exempt from them).


16 posted on 02/23/2015 11:44:03 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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