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The ‘imperial presidency’ is here and we aren’t doing much to reverse it
Absolute Rights ^ | 02/28/2015 | Jon E. Dougherty

Posted on 02/28/2015 8:24:12 AM PST by SleeperCatcher

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To: vpintheak
Everybody wants to impeach the president. So do I. But a couple of pesky facts based in reality get in the way. It only takes a simple majority in the House to impeach. That shouldn't be too hard for the Republicans to do, unless Boehner screws it up like he did the HHS funding vote last night where he couldn't get his guys to rally around.

But if the House impeaches and it goes to the Senate for conviction, there quickly becomes the first problem. Conviction requires a 2/3 majority vote, which is 67 Senators, but Republicans only hold 54 seats. They might convince a democRAT or two to vote to convict but the likelyhood of getting 13 cross-over votes is zero. The other complicating fact is historical. No president has ever been convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors in the Senate. None.

So while I understand the anger and emotion of wanting this lawless president impeached, just impeaching him and not convicting him will damage the Republicans and not Obama. Just like with Clinton. And with not conviction in the Senate likely, this is an exercise in futility. Wishful thinking. A waste of time well spent.

The 2/3 vote required in the Senate to convict him fuels his lawlessness. If he knows he can't be impeached, he just does what he wants with impunity. I think our best bet until this guy leaves office, is to defund some of these agencies Obama is using to circumvent the Constitution and Congress to do what he wants without anybody controlling him. Take their money away from them. Hit them in the pocket book where it will hurt. Otherwise, I think we're going to have to wait for the 2016 elections, hope we can gain the presidency and maintain our majorities in the Congress.

21 posted on 02/28/2015 8:57:11 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: SleeperCatcher

Some of the Republicans are hoping for a place in the New Imperial Order and others just hope that the crocodile will eat them last. The few other Republicans are not enough to stem the progress. Most conservative folks think we are headed for the cliff and are pretty close. I believe we are over the cliff and just waiting to see how hard and jagged are the rocks at the bottom. The slop turned sown in 1913 with the ratification of the 13th Amendment. The edge of the precipice was passed with the re-electtion of the Sultan, or perhaps with the nomination or McCain.


22 posted on 02/28/2015 9:05:18 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: SleeperCatcher

Pointless discussion.

We all know what needs to happen. We’re all just too afraid to be the first one up that particular hill.


23 posted on 02/28/2015 9:12:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: SleeperCatcher
The huge landslide election in 2014 was the demand by American voters to stop all this crap and reverse it but without a change in "leadership" and courage it was a huge waste of time and effort.

The same evil bastards still run things and the same weak capons pretend they are going to change it.

24 posted on 02/28/2015 9:21:49 AM PST by Gritty (To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil. Liars are easy to control-Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The newly-elected Republicans were supposed to do something - it’s just a little surprising that it turned out to be going down on their knees to Obama and sucking his.....


25 posted on 02/28/2015 9:25:17 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: HotHunt

Impeachment takes too long and with th Sultan will not have any effect even if it gets so far as Senate deliberation. By that time the Sultan will be way beyond the reach of Impeachment. Something has to be done NOW to avoid the complete dissolution of the Republic or at least its Venezuelification. Whatever can be done that is effective itself would be contrary to the Constitution would comport with the Declaration of Independence, that other and prior Founding Document.


26 posted on 02/28/2015 9:33:23 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: HotHunt

I have posted many times that the only way the current _resident would get impeached is if the Dems started the proceedings.

That is unlikely. Though they are not particularly pleased with the _reisdent, they are willing to ride out the remaining 2 years.


27 posted on 02/28/2015 9:33:58 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Dead Corpse

Exactly what I have said since this POS got in our white house...not only do we all know what needs to happen, we all know what happens to those who even get close to that particular hill...


28 posted on 02/28/2015 9:36:46 AM PST by gibsosa
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To: SleeperCatcher

As bad as he’s been the first 6 years, it’s nothing compared to what his final two scorched earth years will be on this country.


29 posted on 02/28/2015 9:38:00 AM PST by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Being the first one up the hill isn’t what worries me - from what I see around me, there wouldn’t be enough people to join in the party. Until the people are really hurting, things will continue to get worse. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst.


30 posted on 02/28/2015 9:50:34 AM PST by Hornet22
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To: SleeperCatcher

Republicans have abrogated their power to the courts. This of course means a 5/4 majority depending on which particular one judge is with the 5. Thanks to McCain and Graham, Obama has already gotten a number liberal/left wing judges on the federal bench and two SC judges both hard leftists (Sotomayor and Kagan).

Thanks to POS, McCain and Graham, but worse damn the votes who re-elected them. We have a Republican with column, make no mistake about it.


31 posted on 02/28/2015 9:56:25 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Gritty
The huge landslide election in 2014 was the demand by American voters to stop all this crap

They allowed the electorate to have their little tantrum in November, and now things are placidly back to normal.
32 posted on 02/28/2015 10:19:52 AM PST by Colinsky
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To: gibsosa

Been saying it since Bush V McCain.


33 posted on 02/28/2015 10:35:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Hornet22

By then, it may well be a Warsaw Ghetto moment.

So be it...


34 posted on 02/28/2015 10:36:29 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: arthurus
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35 posted on 02/28/2015 11:07:15 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: 5thGenTexan; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; Art in Idaho; Arthur Wildfire! March; Arthur McGowan; ...

The author is this article concludes that an Article V Convention is he only solution to the current mess.


36 posted on 02/28/2015 11:12:06 AM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

We?

The Congress and Senate are majority Republican. Yes, “we” elected them and they haven’t done a damned thing to check any of this.

What are “we” supposed to do. Stage an armed revolt in which we’d be shot down like dogs?

We can only hope for some miracle that seems not to be on the horizon.

God help us all.


37 posted on 02/28/2015 11:24:33 AM PST by onedoug
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To: ilovesarah2012

That’s my question, too. I just don’t get it. He has some power from somewhere. If it’s blackmail that means there’s not one person in congress willing to fall on their sword for America.


38 posted on 02/28/2015 11:38:34 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy. And so are RINO voters.)
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To: arthurus
The slop turned sown in 1913 with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

16th

39 posted on 02/28/2015 11:40:10 AM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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To: Publius
From the article: "The one constitutional redress is an Article V Convention of States, which, thankfully, is picking up steam in the several States in flyover country. If it happens, (and it needs to, because clearly the mechanisms in place to control an authoritarian president are not enough) hopefully there will be constitutional amendments proposed and approved by enough states to give congressional majorities (and states themselves) more ways to maintain the Constitution’s checks and balances and reign in power grabs by any branch of government."

For those who think the Article V process is too risky, I repeat what other posters have said, "What other options do you see?"

To summarize from a previous post by Grace G, I see it as:

1. Elect More Republicans - Failed due to RINO/Uni-party confluence.

2. Article V Convention of States to propose Amendments - Needed to try to take power from the federal government back to the states and reel in the the federal leviathan.

3. State Nullification - Last ditch effort to try to take power back from the federal monster, though by this point it may be too late...

4. State Secession - Could either end up peaceably like the breakup of the Czechoslovakia in 1993 or a brutal:

5. Civil War II like the first one.... The longer we wait on #2, the more likely #3, then #4 and finally #5. .

Quick review: We need 34 states to pass an application, then Congress shall, by law, call a Convention of States as soon as it receives application from 2/3 of the State Legislatures. That's 34 states. We now have 30 working on it.

Please see this great summary video below from Alabama first.

Most FReepers are aware of these links, but I post anyway for review and for people new to Article V. It is our responsibility to make Article V the most understood aspect of the US Constitution.

Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

The Case for an Article V Convention. Great explanation of an Article V convention to the Massachusetts State Legislature.

Convention of States Lots of information here.

Call a Convention A call for a Convention of States

Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.

Convention of States model Resolution

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

List of Mark Levin You Tube Videos

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

Mark Levin’s ALEC Speech, Dec 4, 2014

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments” Sean Hannity Special

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Amendment Booklet.pdf

Friends of Article V Convention Links

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention:

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part I)

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a convention. (Part II)

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part III)

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part IV)

Congress’ Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part V)

Congress’ Failure to Call an Amendments Convention. (Part VI)

Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th. Shorter Abstract here: Ulysses at the Mast, one page Abstract

Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.

State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Most State Legislatures are in session now. Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points.

Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

Let’s all work together to get this going.

40 posted on 02/28/2015 12:09:49 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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