Time For a Serious Discussion on Secession

Liberty Shrugs ^ | 03/24/2015 | PUBLIUS

[central_va]

OBastard has made following the US Constitution optional and voluntary by any future President.

Fixed.

[Usagi_yo]

Land mass is not a constituency.

That’s essentially what the author tries to claim by showing islands of Blue in See of red. You can’t get elected president because you won the most land mass. You have to win the most Electoral College votes — which are apportioned by population — so land mass voting demographics, though disheartening really are meaningless.

The Senate is the balance beam of Government. No matter what the population, California has no more votes in the Senate as does Rhode Island.

Anybody who thinks succession is an option is a Net.looney.bin.

[central_va]

Anybody who thinks succession is an option is a Net.looney.bin.

Do some research, the population is evenly split between urban and rural. If Texas declared independence form the USA would you take up arms against her?

If State legislatures vote to secedes the WHOLE state secedes. Even those nasty blue cities. If the urban socialists want to leave send them on their way.

[RC one]

in 2008, we lost everything in an overreaction to George Bush. Now, via the democratic process, we control the HOR, the Senate, and a large majority of state legislatures and we are poised to control everything. We stopped gun control. We have stopped amnesty for the time being. America corrected her course. The system has worked well for us. Talk of secession or, worse yet, violence is completely counterproductive.

[myself6]

I believe your wrong.

The point of the secession would not be to separate from the fed gov as much as it would be to separate from the PEOPLE who voted for (and will ALWAYS vote for) socialists.

There are a rather significant number of people in this country and other states that would like nothing more than to submit to their government. In fact, Ill raise that and offer that they WILL NOT REST until they clasp the chains upon themselves and everyone else. As long as we continue our association with these people we will never be free. Never. I dont care what we try to do within the system. I dont care how the constitution may be rewritten. These people are PASSIONATELY YEARNING to be subjects of the collective, they will continue to ignore whatever we put in place. They will break laws as they see fit and they will continue their long slow march to slavery.

These are the folks we are separating from. These are the folks that may attack us if we do... and these are the folks that i just may enjoy seeing in the cross hairs of my scope or up close and personal if that day comes.

I understand that it comforts you to believe this union of states can be restored in its current geographical state of being. I understand that you are afraid of what may come if we do what is necessary. I also understand that some folks just cant let go, they go down with the ship because they JUST. CANT. LET. GO.

[Usagi_yo]

Like I said. Those that think succession is a valid route to go, are a net.looney.bin.

[Usagi_yo]

And the OP is disingenuous by representing the land masses and comparing them to how they voted. It’s people, not land mass.

Land Mass does not count and neither does the mythical popular vote.

[central_va]

Most cities are blue but not completely blue. Each city has a major red component. The further South and mid-west the blue and the red are almost 50-50. So if you add the rural which is 90-10 red with the city red component it is a majority.

[myself6]

Rebellion and regime change wont work.. the real problem will still exist afterwards... The MILLIONS of people that WANT to be slaves to the collective. That will VOTE the for the chains to be put on themselves AND us...

Unless your willing to wholesale slaughter the vast majority of them... They WILL have their chains back... and YOU will join them... Honestly, they only way to achieve our goal and save as many of THEIR lives (and ours) as possible is a peaceful (on our part) succession. We have to end up removing these people from having any influence over our affairs.

If violence is necessary, then let it be for something worthy. Let it be justified and as little as possible.

[Buttons12]

Sovereignty is still inextricably linked with territory. This is ironic, as you look at that predominantly red map of the U.S. But the areas of dense population are seeds of poison.

Secession needs to start with one state or even less, and the first thing to avoid is an area with numerous large cities.

That, or find a way to unravel sovereignty and territory.

[myself6]

Those that think they can be free of the tyranny of socialism without completely disassociating from the people who CRAVE those chains... well... I think they have very little grounding in REALITY.

[central_va]

Unless your willing to wholesale slaughter the vast majority of them... They WILL have their chains back... and YOU will join them... Honestly, they only way to achieve our goal and save as many of THEIR lives (and ours) as possible is a peaceful (on our part) succession. We have to end up removing these people from having any influence over our affairs.

If there is a physical division then socialist will move to socialist USA and the Freedom seekers will move to the free USA. No blood shed necessary. As it is now we are all in the same sandbox, that is crux of the problem. We need two sandboxes.

[2001convSVT]

After Secession just don't give up any nuclear arms, we can all see how that worked out for the Ukraine. Louisiana' Barksdale A.F. base is loaded with them.

[nathanbedford]

Fyi: It is secession not succession

Apologies to you for the failure of proofreading and complaints to Dragon NaturallySpeaking software for getting it wrong.

the world wide economic calamity causes the Greatest Depression ever seen.

I have been writing about this possibility on FreeRepublic for some matter of years now and have often cited the possibility in connection with both the need for and the possibility of obtaining Article V reforms which I considered to be politically difficult in the absence of some sort of black Swan event.

I disagree however that a splitter is inevitable, reform under Article V possible and much to be desired over disintegration.

[central_va]

Calling state(s) regaining sovereignty a “disintegration” is a bit hyperbolic in my opinion. It’s about freedom.

[nathanbedford]

Just how do you propose to accomplish this secession? You live in Virginia, which part of Virginia remains? Are you familiar with the area once known as "Mosby's Confederacy?" It is now reliably Democrat.

You would have to leave Loudoun County with the liberals and withdraw into a few precincts in the Valley and in the far south western corner. Loudoun County has gone Democrat in the last few elections. Loudoun County! When you cannot even get the Old Dominion to be reliably conservative, you have nothing useful for secession.

If you divide Virginia along the lines necessary to keep liberty for the rump you have a literal disintegration.

No one buys into the myth of "the lost cause" more than I do but I live in the 21st century.

[indthkr]

Secession / NA Social Structure bump for later...

[nathanbedford]

Oh for heavens sake!

A prudent person would give reform a chance under Article V before plunging the country into war and chaos.

[Rodamala]

I believe it would be far “easier” for all citizens in the red voting districts to arm themselves sufficiently and stop paying federal taxes. Let the fight for freedom come to our door.

[central_va]

Hypothetically, if VA stays in the USA then I would leave and go to the newly freed state(s). I get to vote with my feet. As it is now we the people have a one size(socialist) fits all FedGov™, that is the crux of the problem.