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Passenger plane crashes in French Alps (Airbus A320 - 148 Onboard?)
The Local - Fr ^ | 03/24/2015 | Oliver Gee

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:55:35 AM PDT by Drago

"An Airbus A320 has crashed in the southern French Alps, a security source has said." & "A Germanwings A320 has crashed in the southern French Alps, according to security sources."

(Excerpt) Read more at thelocal.fr ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1; 4u9525; a320; airbus; airbusa320; alps; aviation; barcelona; crash; daipx; dusseldorf; europeanunion; france; french; germanwings; germany; lufthansa; nato; planecrash; spain; turkey
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Though the size of the debris field might indicate a mid-air explosion, I wonder if a similar effect would be observed if the plane flew straight into the hard rock face of a mountain at a high rate of speed. Compare with the crash of United 93 on 9/11 - that crash was into soft earth at speed with few large pieces but the debris field was relatively small.


241 posted on 03/24/2015 10:53:51 AM PDT by CedarDave (Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
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To: CedarDave

Wouldn’t there be a crater or a blacked-out area from the explosion?


242 posted on 03/24/2015 10:55:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Drago

148 adults and two little babies...


243 posted on 03/24/2015 10:58:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MeganC; MortMan

It would be the same as an outside source accessing a gaming joystick which is hardwired to the game controller.

Wireless fly by wire is still in the development phase and not incorporated on this jet.

So as I understand it an outside source could not “take over” the jet.

However, I have been wrong before too.


244 posted on 03/24/2015 10:59:29 AM PDT by Eaker (You are really amazing Eaker. - Swordmaker 02/14/15)
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To: jimbo123

If it walks like a Muslim, squawks like a Muslim it’s a Muslim...


245 posted on 03/24/2015 11:00:47 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Eaker; MeganC

I’m not aware that any fly-by-wireless system has yet been approved. Personally, I have some concerns about security. So far, the certification authorities agree.


246 posted on 03/24/2015 11:02:06 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: CedarDave

Would the low altitude affect the size of the debris field?


247 posted on 03/24/2015 11:04:36 AM PDT by milford421 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke))
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To: dfwgator

If into a rock face, evidence of impact and fire (scorching) but no crater.

Not being a pilot, I have to ask if that descent speed could have been maintained through gravity alone if there was an engine flameout at altitude?


248 posted on 03/24/2015 11:05:54 AM PDT by CedarDave (Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
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To: jimbo123

Another crash, compliments of Triple A airlines (Allah Akbar Airlines).


249 posted on 03/24/2015 11:08:48 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: milford421
Would the low altitude affect the size of the debris field?

Maybe if a mid-air explosion occurred at a low altitude just above the observed debris field. But you would likely have larger pieces of the aircraft.

250 posted on 03/24/2015 11:10:46 AM PDT by CedarDave (Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
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To: RayChuang88

In the AF447 crash, the pitot tubes for the air-speed incidator iced over and read 0. That’s why the computer kicked offline. It was a storm and they couldn’t the horizon either.

That crash was due to the co-pilot’s inexperience with flying the Airbus A300 without the computer. He was confused by the ‘Pull up’ audible warning going silent whenever the computer faulted at an extreme AOT (the computer shut up because it decided the sensor inputs were crazy). So he kept pulling up the joystick up and up thinking the stall ended whenever the audible warning stopped. Whenever he eased the stick forward the computer reawakened and starting bitching again about a stall. Rinse and repeat. And so he belly-flopped right into the ocean.

Meanwhile the captain (who was sleeping) jumped into the right (co-pilot) seat and yelled WTF to the co-pilot as he pushed the joystick forward to stop the stall, but the captain’s joystick on the left overrode him, and he didn’t realize it. (Boeing uses wheels that are mechanically linked, so pushing one steering wheel forward always pushes the other.) The official determination in the AF crash was pilot error due to failure to understand how the fly-by-wire A300 behaved whenever the computer kicked offline and went into alternate (mostly manual) flight mode.

The 2008 crash was similarly due to lack of experience in flying without the computer (and likely the Air Indonesia crash too). In each event, the pilot wildly wrenched the joystick to try to keep the plane aloft. The flight recorder showed the plane going up and down with extreme maneuvers like a roller coaster.

However, that is not what we see in the radar altitude chart for this crash. The plane gradually descended over 18 minutes in a straight-line path right into the side of a mountain.

A mid-air explosion would show significant deceleration and rapid descent. We don’t see that here. That, plus the lack of communication with the flight crew, makes it more likely that the flight crew was somehow physically incapacitated. The autopilot tripped off, and then the plane slowly descended into the mountain.

A 9/11 style hijacking would show changes in direction and there’s no evidence of that either.


251 posted on 03/24/2015 11:15:01 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: jimbo123

There was no distress signal (latest report), which is odd.


252 posted on 03/24/2015 11:16:32 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog ("Islam is Islam. There are no modifiers. It's a political movement masquerading as a religion.")
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To: Gideon7

Supposedly pilot was a German . . .

Time to ‘vet’ the pilot???

Wasn’t there an Egyptian suicide pilot who flew plane in to
the Atlantic?

Did he have a ‘flight simulator at home’?


253 posted on 03/24/2015 11:20:25 AM PDT by cuspofcommonsense
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To: cuspofcommonsense
Supposedly pilot was a German . . .

Well not all "Germans" are Aryan these days.

254 posted on 03/24/2015 11:21:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Gideon7

Good points. Based on the scene video, this was no midair incident, and it went right into the side of the mountain as if the pilots simply fell asleep and it kept descending until drove it right in.


255 posted on 03/24/2015 11:25:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

256 posted on 03/24/2015 11:25:33 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: McGruff

257 posted on 03/24/2015 11:35:03 AM PDT by maggief
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To: All

258 posted on 03/24/2015 11:36:19 AM PDT by maggief
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I just turned your picture into an 11”x17” target to print.

Thanks,


259 posted on 03/24/2015 11:38:11 AM PDT by Eaker (You are really amazing Eaker. - Swordmaker 02/14/15)
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To: maggief

260 posted on 03/24/2015 11:39:34 AM PDT by maggief
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