VA Sends Veterans’ Medical Info To FBI To Get Their Guns Taken Away

Daily Caller ^ | April 21, 2015 | Patrick Howley

[Zakeet]

Documents obtained by The Daily Caller and interviews with American veterans reveal a shocking government program: The Department of Veterans Affairs is disarming America’s veterans by getting them placed on the FBI’s criminal background-check list.

The VA sends veterans’ personal medical and financial information directly to the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, which can seize their guns in home raids.

Veterans deemed mentally incompetent or financially incapable are finally speaking out about the errors in the system and the fearful harassment they and their families face from the federal government. And it all starts when vets go to the VA to get medical help.

Here’s what we know:

[iontheball]

This gestapo sh-t makes my blood boil. Only tyrants would place veteran patriots on ‘watch lists.’ It certainly tells who the real enemies are. How long will the procrastination go on?

[The Toll]

Why do you think they are constantly pushing the epidemic of PTSD and how EVERYONE needs to ask for help. No, not everyone that has seen combat needs help, it’s simply not true!

As for the FBI/ATF, only scum follow orders blindly.

[ChildOfThe60s]

This VA business is a precursor to what ObieCare is setup to do. All doctors required to ask if you own guns, and then required to give the government full access to your medical care records.

All for the purpose of disarming us and weeding out “dissidents”.

Be willing to die in your home holding onto your guns. Because you will surely die elsewhere without them.

One does not need to be religious to understand that there is such a thing as pure evil in this world. And there are people who are not simply power hungry, but genuinely evil. Make your own list, you know who I mean.

[Qiviut]

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[GreyFriar]

I recall a briefing by a Army Medical Corps Sergeant Major at the Conference of Army Historians 3-4 years ago, who said that the number of PTSD cases rose after the mandatory PTSD briefings began. Folks, knowing they could get it, decided that they had it, even if they never ‘went outside the wire’.

[vette6387]

“Amazing...the VA hates Veterans. It either murders them through neglect or disarms them.”

Ditto for your PCP! Never tell your doctor anything about your “mental health.”

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I have a friend who served in Vietnam and goes to the local VA hospital ever so often.
One day, he had an auction to get rid of lots of his junk laying around the house along with his shop and camping items he no longer needed.
When the VA found out about it they went bonkers, afraid he was going to kill himself and was disposing of all his property.

It took lots of effort to convince the VA that he was NOT going to kill himself.

[xzins]

Can someone explain why finances are also a reason for violating 2nd amendment rights?

I understand at least the issue with mental health, even though I don’t agree with it unless we’re talking about a clearly hallucinating/psychotic individual. But I don’t understand why bad finances makes you untrustworthy with a gun. Poor Americans have always owned guns.

[familyop]

"what’s with 'financially incapable'? since when is poverty a disqualifier for gun ownership?"

Allow me to explain. See the following influential constituencies?

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

They are comprised of individuals of both political parties and include many government-linked services that don't really produce anything of value. There are also contractors that produce overly costly but needed items that don't benefit the economy.

They've shut most manufacturing on American soil down (excludes American-"based" manufacturing on foreign soil). We've been seeing a managed shrinking of the economy with efforts to retain flows of debt/revenues to them. Debt continues to pile up, so they fear the long crash being caused by themselves. See the many broadcasts and publications in recent years about end-of-the-world stories.

They are fearful of soldiers and Marines, who mostly come from technically inclined, blue collar families (manufacturing). At the same time, many individuals of the political/regulator class want to become commandos "as seen on TV, so they're jealous of men who have really been soldiers and Marines.

In their minds, they're going to rule the world after the collapse caused by them. See?

[familyop]

"Amazing...the VA hates Veterans. It either murders them through neglect or disarms them."

Much from university women's studies programs (and with them, homo-activism) has been injected into nursing school departments and medical schools in general. Psychology, social work and English programs have been notorious in universities for the same for over 30 years. They don't like men, so they really dislike enlisted combat soldiers, Marines, SEALs and others like them.

[familyop]

"I recall a briefing by a Army Medical Corps Sergeant Major at the Conference of Army Historians 3-4 years ago, who said that the number of PTSD cases rose after the mandatory PTSD briefings began. Folks, knowing they could get it, decided that they had it, even if they never ‘went outside the wire’."

The prior enlisted ones know that most employers, including college-educated contractors, will otherwise relegate them to homelessness. See managed economic shrinkage in comment #29.

The political/regulator class continues to enforce regulations against new, small manufacturing starts on private properties, to tax, to fee and to push in politics to keep the pile of debt flowing to itself. It's socialist economic wizards continue the flows of debt to it.

It fears an uprising by the unemployed: those who would otherwise again include the real "makers," from mechanics to machinists to builders. The remainder of the default process will help to solve the problem. Then, we'll see the real "zombies" in action (those now insanely convincing themselves that they'll continue to get those incomes from big government while knowing that the end of their new socialism may be near).

[Red in Blue PA]

I avoid those the daily caller and the blaze also......horrible Web design. Takes 5 minutes to recover from 1 click.

[TurboZamboni]

the less you deal with idiots, the less you get treated like one.

why I try not to have any dealings with fedguv inc.

[stevie_d_64]

Just keeps getting better and better...

Now I know why these VA centers have a whole lot of armed guards running around these facilities...

Too many Vets getting pizzed off about the run around...

I heard recently that the fiscal year budget for the VA during the 2013-14 period was about 75-80 billion...

They got a raise for FY 2015 to the approximate amount of 175 billion...

Where and what is that money going to???

When is the oversight committee going to really put the screws to this department???

Oh, wait, snap...Muh bad...

[stevie_d_64]

Mandatory screening at the VA when you decide to enroll when you are discharged from the service is already occurring...

My 23 yr old nephew had to do it recently when he got out of the Corp...

I told him before that screening to think (and state) happy thoughts, of trees, butterfly’s, rainbows, unicorns and puppies...

Anything deviating from that content would not be good for him...

He did have one claim that has since gone un-corrected (back injury) that had 3 prescriptions written and filled by the VA center’s pharmacy...

The next month he got a bill for those 3 scripts for $24, $8 each...

You know, I kinda know why people get so angry at this organization when they do stuff like this...

BTW, this is at the DeBakey center in Houston...

Maybe we need to have an ongoing thread on VA stories (good or bad) on this website...Need to start documenting particulars from Veterans on this website and the care, or non-care they are getting from the VA...

Going to suggest it now to Jim...

[archy]

The VA sends veterans’ personal medical and financial information directly to the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, which can seize their guns in home raids.

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

--United States Code, Title 18, U.S. Criminal Code, §ection 241; Conspiracy against rights

[archy]

I once went to the VA for assistance and was (rather rudely) turned away. Now I see that I was fortunate.

Indeed.

Q: What do you call it when a veteran shoots a VA administrator?

A: Self-defense

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

I will dare to say that maybe now is the time to simply get rid of the VA and have vets receive care in the private sector. This is no disparagement of what they’ve done, and state/local government and private financial sources can provide the funding backstop that they need.

The feds have really jumped the shark in this one. The tyranny of good intentions and all that. Some gratitude.

Nanny State PING!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

See #38.

Combined General and Maryland “Freak State” PING! and a DANG! thrown in for good measure.

What the VA is doing is evil. Abolish it now.

[al baby]

“’I see I write in specifically that none of my information is to be shared with any government agency.”

LMAO you really think that will stop them ?