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Chris Christie in New Hampshire: ‘Global warming is real’
MSNBC ^ | May 7, 2015 | By Aliyah Frumin

Posted on 05/08/2015 7:14:48 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“I think global warming is real. I don’t think that’s deniable. And I do think human activity contributes to it,” said Christie.

Well, with so much proof, who can argue?

What we can actually prove, is that the climate has been warming continuously since the end of the last ice age. It will likely continue until the start of the next ice age. Mankind neither started the current warming, now will stop the current warming. We are not God, as much as extremists may like to imagine themselves to be.

41 posted on 05/08/2015 8:12:25 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: grania
End and reverse the invasion of the US. Send home illegals, and bring immigration down to 0 % until things stabilize in the US.

I think Obama's reason wanting open borders is that he wants to saturate the country with democrat voters and Muslims to completely change the country. I think Republicans only want more cheap labor and consumers for the sake of all business in the country.

The latter scares me much less.

42 posted on 05/08/2015 8:20:02 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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To: DungeonMaster

One litmus test only.

Do you swear you will only serve one term? Anything after one term and you become part of the establishment as it is now a full time job.


43 posted on 05/08/2015 8:36:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (two if by van, one if by broom)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Where is your evidence Chris?

Better yet, what are your motives for pushing this hoax?

Population Control?

Undermining Capitalism?

Destroying the best chance the 3rd world has for escaping poverty?


44 posted on 05/08/2015 8:48:48 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Pizza for lunch?


Yay!!!

45 posted on 05/08/2015 8:55:53 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Dilbert56

I reject most of your assertions.

CO2 is a LAGGING indicator, NOT a predictor of temperature.

Water vapor comprises over 93% of “greenhouse gases” and there are so many variables driving the fluctuation of water vapor in the atmosphere, that it’s impossible to model.

This makes the process for assessing the impact of CO2 on climate virtually impossible.

The first thing we must recognize is that this hoax was concocted as a political mechanism to grab power and control.

Its about Population Control, undermining Capitalism and American Industry.


46 posted on 05/08/2015 8:59:07 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: dfwgator

Especially in the head.


47 posted on 05/08/2015 9:00:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: G Larry

“I reject most of your assertions.”

Please address which assertions that you reject!


48 posted on 05/08/2015 9:06:29 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: thestob

That’s my take, so let’s just assume for the sake of argument that there is global warming and it is due to man, so what? Why are the changes that supposedly it brings about bad? Sure some will be negatively impacted but how do we know that it won’t bring about potential positives like creating more arable farmland?


49 posted on 05/08/2015 9:10:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: G Larry
Exactly. That's the trojan horse in Christie's answer. "We have to figure out the man-made part". As you point out, it's small and almost impossible to quantify. The first returns from the CO2 measuring satellite had some higher concentrations in places with no human presence. So Mother Nature is depositing at least as much as China. We're trying to find "The US portion of the man-made portion of one greenhouse gas that's dwarfed by water vapor whose increase effect is logarithmic...". By the time you get through that exercise, then you have to convince us that it's bad. Then you have to convince us that limiting fossil fuels is the most effective and efficient solution.

For most Americans, I think the clincher was China surpassing us. If they're not doing anything about it we shouldn't either.

I left off one other factor, the hypocrisy of the warmists. They're flying around, staying in four star hotels and getting shuffled around in limos while telling us to cut our consumption.

50 posted on 05/08/2015 9:10:21 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

With the alleged demise of communism (actually the communists simply renamed themselves “progressives” and came here (where most — but not ALL — of them became “democrats”) and elsewhere in Europe and the world), the left needed another “Boogieman” with which frighten the masses so they could be more easily herded into their lusted for and unattainable pseudo-egalitarian and Utopian “New World Order” (where some are “more equal than others”, thank you Mr. Orwell!).
Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) now “Climate Change” drew the short straw!


51 posted on 05/08/2015 9:12:14 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: TexasGator

Well it would be the one I cited!!!

CO2 is a LAGGING indicator, NOT a predictor of temperature.


52 posted on 05/08/2015 9:48:32 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: G Larry

“Well it would be the one I cited!!! CO2 is a LAGGING indicator, NOT a predictor of temperature.”

Only that is not what he cited. Please quote from his post that which you reject.


53 posted on 05/08/2015 9:53:26 AM PDT by TexasGator
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Oh, I see ......it’s english and science you have trouble understanding..

“Both sides believe adding CO2 to the atmosphere, all other things being equal, would raise temperatures.”

“Deniers” believe that the forcing has been overstated. It’s either smaller, neutral, or possibly negative i.e. the Earth dampens the warming.”

And my statement:
“CO2 is a LAGGING indicator, NOT a predictor of temperature.”

So, his first statement is that “adding CO2...would raise temperatures”

Since the increase in CO2 is LAGGING temperature rises, it can NOT be cited as a “cause”.

The same applies to the statement about “forcing”.
If it LAGS, it can NOT be a “forcing” function.


54 posted on 05/08/2015 10:01:49 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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“So, his first statement is that “adding CO2...would raise temperatures” Since the increase in CO2 is LAGGING temperature rises, it can NOT be cited as a “cause”.”

Oh, I see ......it’s english and science you have trouble understanding..

He said “all other things being equal”. In that case there would be no source of CO2 to come out of solution due to temperature increases.


55 posted on 05/08/2015 10:08:08 AM PDT by TexasGator
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“If it LAGS, it can NOT be a “forcing” function”

We all know that voltage is the forcing function in an electrical circuit.

I am sure you have heard that voltage lags current in a capacitive circuit ...


56 posted on 05/08/2015 10:13:11 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You’ll have plenty of time to talk about this in the federal pen, Krispy Kream.


57 posted on 05/08/2015 10:14:23 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why am I suddenly reminded of the supposed contribution of cow flatulence to global warming? Hmmm...


58 posted on 05/08/2015 10:16:40 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: TexasGator

No, you don’t get that one.

The “all other things being equal” has NO EFFECT on the underlying statement, which asserts that CO2 causes temp increase.

There is NO evidence of any such cause and effect.


59 posted on 05/08/2015 11:31:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: TexasGator

you don’t get this one either.

The atmosphere is NOT an electrical circuit.

CO2 is NOT a “forcing function” for climate.


60 posted on 05/08/2015 11:33:35 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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