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'Reckless' Amtrak engineer, 32, who was driving doomed train at 106mph claims...(tr)
dailymail.co.uk ^ | Wills Robinson and Lydia Warren

Posted on 05/14/2015 5:52:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: hoagy62

The media is made up of narcissists, so your point is well taken.

The only public institution with any credibility left is Islam. They actually do what they say they are going to do, and what they do is so heinous that people just stand by and respect it.

The media doesn’t bat an eyelash at it, Western Civilization is giving it a pass (Western Europe is waking up to their foolishness), and corporate America wishes they would become good consumers like everyone else.


61 posted on 05/14/2015 7:10:04 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: 9YearLurker

I wish that was the case where I am employed.
I am sick of the nurses sitting around or standing, always checking their phones.
And no,it is not for med calculations and drug interactions.


62 posted on 05/14/2015 7:11:16 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: fuzzylogic
How does this guy get the title “Engineer” when he is a ex-cashier who moved on to driving a train?

I understand, and agree with, the problems of titling the driver of the train "engineer". In spite of the legacy of that position name, in most states (likely all) it is illegal to use that title for that position.

I have a significant problem thinking "ex-cashier" disqualifies him for that position, or any other position.

I am an engineer. I have a professional engineering licsense. I am an "ex-garbage collector" and "ex-septic truck driver". Do you think that disqualifies me from my current position?

63 posted on 05/14/2015 7:22:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: LibertyOh
"How the automation (that could have been in place years ago) has not made this type of accident impossible is beyond me."

As one who has been near the attempted implementation of Positive Train Control (PTC), I would blame feet dragging and incompetence.

Some of the railroads were begging the government to "make" them put in PTC. Then they found out the government wasn't going to pay for all of it. The railroads can't develop the software to implement this system and they can't hire anyone competent to do it, so far.

PTC also requires a hell of a communications infrastructure and that takes money and time. The GPS used can't differentiate which track the train of on track vehicle is occupying, so the employee has to manually tell the system. Sometimes they screw up.

64 posted on 05/14/2015 7:25:07 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: fuzzylogic

I am an electrician, I can tell you that anything an electrical engineer puts out needs to be fixed by guys like me. The way I figure, we can probably just cut that position out and go straight to the electricians.

I don’t know about engineers in other sectors, just speaking about the field I know.

It’s kind of like officers in the army. A lot don’t have a clue, but then you get the ones who come up from the non commissioned ranks. Those ones make excellent officers.


65 posted on 05/14/2015 7:25:46 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: RoosterRedux
Stuck throttles are possible in automobiles (my younger daughter was involved in such an accident years ago), but I know nothing about the technology of trains. Still, it seems possible that the engine somehow got stuck in an acceleration mode and the engineer either could do nothing to stop it or didn't do the right thing to stop it.

The only other possibilities seem to be that he was (1) just going fast for the hell of it or he was (2) deliberately trying to crash, as with the German pilot a few weeks ago. As far as I know, there is currently insufficient evidence to support any of these possibilities.
66 posted on 05/14/2015 7:26:56 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Bulwyf

So you are capable of calculating short circuit and arc flash requirements?


67 posted on 05/14/2015 7:27:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Sounds to me like you are one of the guys who moved up from within the ranks, so likely you’re pretty good at what you do.

I agree with what your point is, I think the other point they were making was the fact that he went straight from cashier to train engineer.


68 posted on 05/14/2015 7:30:29 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: thackney

Of course not but if you’re a true engineer then you went to school and earned that title. This train DRIVER has not...I don’t believe he is an engineer of any caliber.


69 posted on 05/14/2015 7:33:09 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: thackney

You bet, that’s one of those things you learn during school. I don’t know how the American system works, but here in Alberta it’s a four year apprenticeship, and you learn everything. You go through code, code calculations, determine feeders for hospitals, hotels, apartments, houses etc. You learn short circuit potential on transformers. Basically anything you can think up. We make our own drawings a lot mostly because the ones we get need such severe red lining that it’s not practical.

I can start with an empty dirt lease and figure out everything I need for instrument and electrical without input from engineering firm.


70 posted on 05/14/2015 7:34:48 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: thackney
Your points about people working up from menial jobs to more complex and responsible jobs are well-taken, but in my years in government I actually did see examples of people - for affirmative action reasons or "friend-of-the-boss reasons" - going directly from Job "A" to Job "B" with little or no training and no indication of competence for the new job.

Remember the brouhaha - justified or not - about Michael Brown after Katrina, how some people blamed political patronage as part of the problem in that situation? So it is not impossible and not ENTIRELY unreasonable that something similar happened here, although we have very few facts to go on at this point.
71 posted on 05/14/2015 7:35:30 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Bulwyf

I’m an embedded software engineer/architect. I have a team of architects report to me. In my experience you can’t count on anything being automatic in terms of expectations. I’m lucky, my architects are very good, they can design *very* complex systems - and know how it should be implemented. Some of our engineers are great, others, not so much. I’ve also met technicians that should be engineers....although I’ve known many technicians think something is “stupid” when they don’t understand some of the complexities that led to the decisions made.

So it’s a mixed bag...I just have no reason to believe this DRIVER has earned the title Engineer.


72 posted on 05/14/2015 7:39:55 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Bulwyf
I did pull wire in conduit and wore lineman hooks years before I got my engineering degree.

Not much of that real-work experience, but some.

I think the other point they were making was the fact that he went straight from cashier to train engineer.

That is not true.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/brandon-bostian-amtrak-philadelphia-crash-derail-derailment-engineer-name-gay-police-statement-photos-video-speed-speeding-victims-conductor/

Brandon Bostian, 32, has been an engineer for Amtrak since December 2010, according to his LinkedIn profile. He previously worked for four years with the company as a conductor.

73 posted on 05/14/2015 7:40:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: fuzzylogic

I agree, I don’t know how he was labelled an engineer, although thackney just pointed out he had previous experience, so who knows. Often life is more of who you know rather than what you know.

You sound lucky to have a good team. I can’t often say the same. Today’s apprentices are unreliable, lazy and drug adled, with a few exceptions.


74 posted on 05/14/2015 7:50:00 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: drpix

A friend and most of his male kin worked for the RR.

He said that almost everyone he worked with was a relative or connected to the group, affirmative action brought in strangers, and no one trusts a stranger.

Drugs and alcohol were too common, but the another worker would cover for the impaired.

Now its every man for himself.

He said that driving a loaded train was an art, but under good conditions others could get by as a stand in.
He has been gone for some time and maybe its all computerized now?


75 posted on 05/14/2015 7:50:16 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: peteyd

It’s probably an issue in most workplaces—it’s just that some environments are rather more critical than others.


76 posted on 05/14/2015 7:51:43 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: thackney

You’d be surprised at how many guys can mess up a wire pull. As I said earlier, you sound like you came up from the ranks, had life experience.

I didn’t notice until you pointed it out that he was a conductor previously.

I don’t know if this was gross negligence or something more sinister, I guess we shall see.


77 posted on 05/14/2015 7:53:14 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: RoosterRedux

Brandon Bostian, age 32, has been an Amtrak engineer for 4.5 years. That implies Brandon Bostian became an Amtrak engineer when he was 27 years old.

Does anyone have information on the typical age when Amtrak places personnel as train engineers?

Also does anyone have information on the average age of the other engineers on these high speed trains that run between DC and Boston?


78 posted on 05/14/2015 7:53:32 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: hoagy62
So, no gays should be employed in any field requiring any kind of mental acuity?

Not necessarily, but in this case, where public safety was at stake, it could very well be a factor. The guy obviously was irresponsible.

79 posted on 05/14/2015 7:56:17 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: RoosterRedux
My prediction:

NTSB Official cause of accident: Insufficient infrastructure, caused by lack of proper funding.

Secondary cause: Latent homophobia in the railroad industry, caused engineer to assume the track ahead was straight when it really wasn't.

Recommended disciplinary action: Suspend the engineer (with pay) for a month. Send him (and his partner) to counseling at Hedonism II in Jamaica.

80 posted on 05/14/2015 7:56:49 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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