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Vatican appointee says gay sex can express Christ’s ‘self-gift’
lifesitenews.com ^ | May 19, 2015 | Lisa Bourne

Posted on 05/20/2015 9:26:41 PM PDT by FR_addict

ROME, May 19, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- Pope Francis has appointed radically liberal, pro-homosexual Dominican Father Timothy Radcliffe as a consultor for the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

The Holy Father made the appointment on Saturday, according to Vatican Radio.

Father Radcliffe, an Englishman, author and speaker, was Master of the Dominican order from 1992 to 2001, and is an outspoken proponent of homosexuality.

"We must accompany [gay people] as they discern what this means, letting our images be stretched open,” he said in a 2006 religious education lecture in Los Angeles. “This means watching 'Brokeback Mountain,' reading gay novels, living with our gay friends and listening with them as they listen to the Lord."

In 2005, as the Vatican deliberated the admission of men with homosexual tendencies to study for the priesthood in the wake of the Church sex abuse scandal, Father Radcliffe said that homosexuality should not bar men from the priesthood, and rather, those who oppose it should be banned. ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; francis; globalwarminghoax; homosexualagenda; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; pope; popefrancis; radcliffe; romancatholicism; sodomite; sodomy
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To: Hieronymus
I doubt very much that the Pope has read every word that Radcliffe has spewed forth,

If I reach the end of the buffet table and notice something floating in the punch bowl; I doubt I'll be eating any of Sister Margaret's wonderful mashed potatoes.

201 posted on 05/21/2015 11:40:53 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mojito

There are gays who do NOT mess around with anal sex.

Both of them find it nasty.


202 posted on 05/21/2015 11:42:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hieronymus
Have you heard of Martin Schlag?

Clinton's Surgeon-General says Masturbation should be ...

203 posted on 05/21/2015 11:43:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FR_addict
Another nugget added to the swirling cesspool.
204 posted on 05/21/2015 11:45:52 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: Hieronymus; Gamecock

And the excuses begin......

Well, they didn’t have those children AFTER they became popes, just before. It’s different, dontcha know?

*sigh*

So tell me, did the Holy Spirit then direct people to elect men of such moral bankruptcy to *lead* the Catholic church?

Does the Holy Spirit direct the college of cardinals to elect a new pope?

Simple yes or no question.


205 posted on 05/21/2015 11:52:48 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: FR_addict

“Having been” means that he is no longer. He was Master General from 1992-2001. That is why in the analogy, he is equivalent to a FORMER Senator.

I doubt that Schlag makes any such statements—He is at Santa Croce and Opus Dei is not into boat rocking. My point is that the position is hardly a bully pulpit.


206 posted on 05/21/2015 11:54:03 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: metmom; Gamecock

Metmom, if you bother to look at the post I was responding to, Gamecock was claiming that Popes had fathered countless children.

Given the original statement, the difference between before and after happens to be the difference between supporting the original statement or not. This does matter if one holds that lying is problematic.

Yes—just as the Holy Spirit also led to the selection of Judas and Solomon. Providence is not always pretty from our perspective.


207 posted on 05/21/2015 11:57:47 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: Dutchboy88

:) Mm-hmm. And I’ll take that as an, “I don’t have a rational reply, nor do I want to give up my case of self-induced rabies, so I’ll just substitute snark for logic.”

Gotcha. Get well soon!


208 posted on 05/21/2015 11:58:51 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Elsie

(*tsk*) You’re not dabbling in mind-reading by calling into question my interior attitude of humility, are you, Brother Elsie? :)


209 posted on 05/21/2015 12:01:24 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Elsie

Yep. Obsession with sex, while pontificating (pun somewhat intended) about the alleged “horrors/evils/nastiness of the Catholic Church”... not pretty.

Get well soon, FRiend.


210 posted on 05/21/2015 12:03:34 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Hieronymus; Gamecock

Then Catholics are in no position to be fighting it.

Otherwise, you will be found fighting God.

OTOH, a *No* answer is not going to be forthcoming from Catholics because of the obvious repercussions. They can’t claim the church isn’t being lead by the Holy Spirit.

The problem is, while Jesus DID choose Judas, He did so for one purpose and He tells us that. That Scripture might be fulfilled. And you’ll notice that Judas ISN’T among those who were there on the day of Pentecost.

Nor would Judas be in a position of leadership within the church today as the Holy Spirit through Paul gives us VERY clear cut qualifications for those in leadership within the church, not very many of which are being followed in Catholicism at this point in time, nor have been for a LONG time.

Solomon fell into sin later in his life, but was not in that position when God decided that he should be there, plus, he was not claimed to be head of the church on earth.


211 posted on 05/21/2015 12:04:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Hieronymus; metmom

***Given the original statement, the difference between before and after happens to be the difference**

Matters not one bit. A position of great responsibility requires high standards.

If a certain president participated in shady deals (hard to believe, I know) before he was elected, they are still part of who he is, regardless of what chair s/he now occupies.


212 posted on 05/21/2015 12:11:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: paladinan; metmom; Elsie; Gamecock
I’ll be candid: while it’s possible that Pope Francis is a decent fellow (as a person), he is (IMHO) an absolute train-wreck as a pope. I don’t know whether his “train-crashes” are due to ignorance, naivete, a conspiracy of his advisors, or complicity on his part; at this point, I really don’t care. I just want him out.

Saint Catherine of Sienna has a message for you:

“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.”

213 posted on 05/21/2015 12:14:54 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: paladinan

And, we’ll assume that is a “Brainwashing by Rome has taken root...cannot deal with reality...here is canned cult answer...Mary is God and genuflecting is in process”


214 posted on 05/21/2015 12:16:46 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: paladinan; metmom; daniel1212; boatbums
The pope could hypothetically fornicate twenty times per day, and force all his mistresses to get abortions, and (if he amassed enough influence) execute anyone who criticized him... and that still wouldn’t change the unalterable and infallible character of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, Himself (on St. Peter, as anyone who doesn’t have an interest in distorting the Scriptures can read, plainly). That hypothetical pope might have a particularly agonizing place in hell for all eternity if he dies unrepentant, but that’s a completely separate matter... since the Church is more than a mere sum-total of Her sinful members (even Her specific clergy and hierarchy members).

The Church Christ founded requires removal of evil and error from the assembly. This includes bad shepherds as well:

1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

215 posted on 05/21/2015 12:18:09 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: paladinan

Posting to thy self:)


216 posted on 05/21/2015 12:19:24 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: redleghunter; paladinan; daniel1212; boatbums

I find it interesting that the only ones Catholics seem to hold to those standards are non-Catholics.

For Catholics, it’s every excuse under the sun.


217 posted on 05/21/2015 12:20:24 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: redleghunter

Likewise a lack of integrity in one’s personal life indicates to me that the person is singularly disqualified for a position requiring it in public life, because if he can’t handle it in one area of his life, he can’t handle it in others.


218 posted on 05/21/2015 12:22:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: FR_addict; metmom; Gamecock; Elsie
The Vatican has a website. The Pope evidently has written back to people.

Make sure whatever you write to him is in Spanish:) We would not want to let your concerns or others to be 'misinterpreted.'

You may want to start by sending him this link:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=LBLA

219 posted on 05/21/2015 12:23:45 PM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: Hieronymus

And Luther couldn’t even get married after the Catholic church ex-communicated him according to some Catholics who demand a life of moral purity that would exceed Jesus’ without having a FRoman Catholic meltdown of Chernobyl proportions, and yet blow off lives of rampant and out of control immorality from their own popes.

Standards for thee but not for me.


220 posted on 05/21/2015 12:27:33 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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