Vatican appointee says gay sex can express Christ’s ‘self-gift’

lifesitenews.com ^ | May 19, 2015 | Lisa Bourne

[FR_addict]

ROME, May 19, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- Pope Francis has appointed radically liberal, pro-homosexual Dominican Father Timothy Radcliffe as a consultor for the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

The Holy Father made the appointment on Saturday, according to Vatican Radio.

Father Radcliffe, an Englishman, author and speaker, was Master of the Dominican order from 1992 to 2001, and is an outspoken proponent of homosexuality.

"We must accompany [gay people] as they discern what this means, letting our images be stretched open,” he said in a 2006 religious education lecture in Los Angeles. “This means watching 'Brokeback Mountain,' reading gay novels, living with our gay friends and listening with them as they listen to the Lord."

In 2005, as the Vatican deliberated the admission of men with homosexual tendencies to study for the priesthood in the wake of the Church sex abuse scandal, Father Radcliffe said that homosexuality should not bar men from the priesthood, and rather, those who oppose it should be banned. ...

[CynicalBear]

>>Forgive me, but I'll get my information about Catholicism from sources which haven't declared an avowed hatred for it.<<

Here ya go!

Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”

Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”

[Iscool]

So what's the excuse for Pope Francis this time?

They got it covered...HaHaHaHa...

“The Holy Father is only a man, and is limited in how much he can know about any and every appointment,” Father Nicholson wrote. “His primary language is Spanish and perhaps he has not been sufficiently briefed. And that may be done intentionally by those around him.”

If anyone believes this, they're nuttier than a fruitcake (pun intended)...

[Iscool]

Pope Francis needs to decide what he believes.

Birds of a feather flock together...When you put together an administration you don't appoint people from the opposition party...

I'd guess Francis is as queer as a football bat...

[Iscool]

the Catholic church is the people...not the Pope nor its bishops nor its priests, although they hold positions in the Church...

That's about exactly the opposite from what the Catholic religion teaches...

[Gamecock]

“His primary language is Spanish and perhaps he has not been sufficiently briefed. And that may be done intentionally by those around him.”

So this means there is a shadow Papacy? A man behind the curtains?

[redleghunter]

I still personally believe he wasn't given the choice.

They offered him midnight 'tea' and got the hint. Benedict 'saw that movie' before:)

[Iscool]

Very plausible...Stories of the black pope have been around forever...

[Iscool]

The pope could hypothetically fornicate twenty times per day, and force all his mistresses to get abortions, and (if he amassed enough influence) execute anyone who criticized him... and that still wouldn’t change the unalterable and infallible character of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, Himself (on St. Peter, as anyone who doesn’t have an interest in distorting the Scriptures can read, plainly). That hypothetical pope might have a particularly agonizing place in hell for all eternity if he dies unrepentant, but that’s a completely separate matter... since the Church is more than a mere sum-total of Her sinful members (even Her specific clergy and hierarchy members).

The 'church' wasn't founded on any man other than Jesus Christ...It is these same modern perverts that created the Catholic religion to begin with...

[Repent and Believe]

“...Saint Catherine of Sienna has a message for you: ...He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death...”

Folks of FR, we have over 200 posts and I don’t recall seeing the following thought put forth, as in that a manifest heretic even if elected, cannot be pope in reality. When we see this we are free to think clearly on the matter and proceed confidently under the authority of the numerous pontificates of the past who were in unison in the faith and with one another (and did not reject tradition as Saint Paul instructed us to embrace the faith as proven by the tradition of our fathers).

A quote taken from the writings of Saint John Bellarmine follows:

Therefore, the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; and for this reason he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction, and outstandingly that of St. Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2) who speaks as follows of Novatian, who was Pope [i.e. antipope] in the schism which occurred during the pontificate of St. Cornelius: “He would not be able to retain the episcopate [i.e. of Rome], and, if he was made bishop before, he separated himself from the body of those who were, like him, bishops, and from the unity of the Church.”

See more at: http://www.cmri.org/02-bellarmine-roman-pontiff.html#sthash.hduHrqjJ.dpuf

It is not the first time that a prominent saint seems not to agree in opinion with another prominent saint. That is a matter of discernment. God help us.

[Iscool]

Are they protesting against the current pope, calling for a reform of Catholicism to get back to its roots?

Gee, that sounds awfully familiar.....

The 'new' Reformation...The 'new' Protestants...HaHaHa...

[redleghunter]

Between these sorts of appointments and appointing bishops, the Pope is nominally responsible for thousands of positions—somewhere between six and eight thousand. This appointment is among the bottom tier. If the Pope had appointed him head of CDF, or Papal Theologian (a position traditionally held by a Dominican), I would be a bit more perturbed.

You are doing a good job making excuses for your Chief Executive. So Radcliffe who was head of the Dominican order for a number of years would be a name unknown or unfamiliar to Pope Francis? Seems the folks you trained over at Life Site are bit more wise of the whiles of the world.

So based on your assessment of the mundane Vatican appointments, should we expect the person who told the Pope to sign the dotted line for Radcliffe's appointment will be fired? And 'now' that the Pope knows an sodomphile is in the open should we expect Radcliffe to be defrocked as 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 instructs?

Sir, maybe you should visit the Vatican and teach theology there. Seems the Vatican types need a refresher. I hope you speak Spanish, as that seems to be the excuse around there...that Pope Francis only understands Spanish.

[RinaseaofDs]

First, you used the word ‘all’. The fact is we don’t know what causes it, and we may never find out because nobody will fund the research. If by some miracle its funded, and they believe they’ve discovered why, they will write a paper. That paper will not see the light of day, because no journal will review it.

You don’t know what causes it. There is quite a bit of science on what doesn’t - like genes. It doesn’t appear to be a genetic disorder.

As soon as you start talking about it being related to behavior, you have definitely left the civilized world of scientific method for the wilds of psychology and psychiatry. In that village, they vote on what is fact, and they eat their own people afterward.

So, let’s say you don’t know. Let’s leave out the words ‘All’ and ‘Never’ and ‘Always’ and ‘None’.

Math is good enough. Left to their own devices, homosexuality in an animal population is self-correcting. If its genetic, a homosexual wouldn’t normally be able to reproduce and propagate the weakness. If its learned, the same applies.

The problem is that liberals will advocate on behalf of people they hate to control people they don’t care about, and the only care about themselves.

As such, adoption is something a liberal will advocate, but only because it helps the homosexuals, not because murdering a child in the womb is criminal. If the baby is black, for example, a liberal will just as soon kill it in the belly than let it escape.

The evidence is that 70% of all black pregnancies end in abortion. That’s the sort of genocide Wilhelm Stuckart, father of Germany’s Blood and Honor Laws advocated - pinch off the race at this generation.

So, liberals are for adoption, but only to recruit more gay people. Liberals, for one, are betting you are right.

[redleghunter]

I doubt very much that the Pope has read every word that Radcliffe has spewed forth, nor would I expect him to do so before appointing him to what is in fact a very inconsequential position. He is one of a group of people who talk to another group of people who might get around to writing something that very few people will bother to read and which carries very little weight.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz could not have said the above any better. Bravo!

[CynicalBear]

>>Metmom, if you bother to look at the post I was responding to, Gamecock was claiming that Popes had fathered countless children.<<

So after they became pope were they no longer the father of those children? Had they not fathered those children any longer? How does that work?

[redleghunter]

Yes, it is one of the thirty most newsworthy things to happen in Rome on a given day, but the Pope doesn’t have time to spend hours on each of the thirty most newsworthy things that happen each day.

Indeed. He is spending most of his time on global climate change.

[redleghunter]

Your counting is not very good. You mean Alexander VI, not Alexander VII, and his acknowledged children were born at least a decade before he was elected. Thus they were not begotten after his election.

What about fathering children after their Holy Orders?

[FR_addict]

“It is not the first time that a prominent saint seems not to agree in opinion with another prominent saint. That is a matter of discernment. God help us.”

Thanks for adding the writings of St. Bellarmine.

[redleghunter]

Another nugget added to the swirling cesspool.

Resigned/removed from his church role. There's a start.

[Hieronymus]

So if Our Lord had listened to yourself, St. Paul, and the Holy Spirit, he would have picked different disciples?

If you believe that God is omniscient, then God foresaw all of Solomon’s warts. And my warts. And the warts of every single Pope. And yours too, if you have any. He writes straight with crooked lines.

[FR_addict]

Okay, so I missed that this priest was no longer Master General. He wants to ban everyone who disagrees with him on homosexuality.

He should be defrocked then.