Posted on 05/28/2015 5:07:07 AM PDT by HomerBohn
Ever since ISIS began its bloody rampage across the Middle East, many of us have been suspicious of their origins. The West seemed perfectly willing to support the rebellion against Russian backed Assad, but as soon as those supposedly “moderate” rebels formed ISIS, they turned against them (according to the media at least). But according to a recently declassified document, the US government knew more than they were letting on (gasp) in regards to the formation of ISIS.
The seven page document, which was dated August 12th 2012, was attained by Judicial Watch through a federal lawsuit. It reveals that many of the rebel groups supported by the Defense Department, eventually rallied together to form ISIS. More importantly, the DoD seemed to have anticipated this result. They not only expected the rise of “an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria” but welcomed it, knowing it would undermine the Assad regime, as well as Iranian influence in the region. They also predicted that the conflict would eventually turn into a proxy war.
Iraq is also mentioned as a crucial part of this future “Islamic state” so the DoD knew from the very beginning that supporting these groups would fracture the nation we spent so many years fighting for. And contrary to the media’s claims, it’s obvious that the government knew these rebels were not moderates. The document proves once again that the United States is almost always purveyor of her own enemies.
so the Democrat party knew from the very beginning that supporting these groups would fracture the United States we spent so many years fighting for.
You mean the Harry Truman that fired General Douglas MacArthur when the general wanted to carry the fight to the Communist Chinese who had intervened en masse in the Korean War?
Truman’s handling of the Korean War led to his decision not to run for re-election in 1952.
The ‘tough guy’ image of Truman was created later to restore his tarnished image.
I like your thinking.
we did the same with al queda and it bit us in the ass
War is the health of the state. The more we have, the bigger and more powerful the government becomes. Perpetual war is good for government, not so good for the people.
Islamic State of Iraq and Syria was created from the remnants of Al-Qaeda in Iraq once Obama abandoned Iraq.
Yes in a post 911 world... Arming and giving ISIS (formerly know as Al Qaeda) their own State after they killed 3000 American on 911, is first of all HIGH TREASON..... almost as insane as ignoring the federal Laws... and leaving the boarders wide a$$ open to flood this country with terrorist. Even the FBI admits that ISIS is in all 50 States.
I assume you think this is a good idea too? Hopefully, you do understand how dangerous this is and what it could lead to.
So you really think it’s just a coincidence the way it has played out in Iraq be divided into 3 different states????
You really think our mighty U.S. military can’t stop ISIS?
B.S. our military could wipe them out in a few days. Perhaps a few hours if the full might of it was unleashed. Everyone knows we are letting ISIS run wild for Saudi Arabia to get that Gas Pipeline in Syria.
Remember old McCain going over there in 2012 and making deals with ISIS? I see those photo on Free Republic almost every day.
Now we know why they have brand new Toyota’s, U.S. Hummers, U.S. Mraps, uniforms, U.S. weapons, etc.....
Oh but the lying complicit media wants you to believe some how ISIS keeps ACCIDENTALLY (/sarcasm) getting rearmed.
Yeah right and I have beach front property in Iowa to sell you.
Sorry, you be confused. Saudi Arabia is by definition the deadly enemy of ISIS. First thing ISIS would do if they took over the Kingdom is to kill the entire royal family.
They mostly have lots of US weapons and vehicles because we spent many billions providing these to the Iraqi Army, which abandoned them to be captured by ISIS.
ISIS is not (formerly known as al Quaeda). That they share some aspects of ideology does not mean they’re “the same.” Al Quaeda still exists and is a rival of ISIS. AQ actually broke with ISIS several years ago because ISIS is too extreme and violent.
Think of them as the Trotskyites and Stalinists. Deadly enemies, though to outsiders they look very similar. Those little differences are terribly important to them.
Iraq and Syria are threats to Saudi Arabia and that's why they have to be taken out. The Saudis thought that groups under their influence would take over once Saddam and Assad are gone. It didn't work out that way.
We made an attempt to introduce of semblance of order in a place that might not be able to be organized. But the prime cause of the disorder and wanton slaughter in the mideast is the people themselves...not some outside force.
While I agree somewhat with your thoughts there, if you arm and fund people who do what ISIS is doing, aren’t you just as bad?
Obama/McCain/et al did just that.
Syria, a nation we had no business getting involved in, drew in Obama and McCain like moths to lamp on a warm summer night.
I wish to hell more people understood this.
Obama is getting a free ride. I’d sure like someone in W., D. C. wake the hell up.
Russia should have once and for all time taught us that in WWII. Patton and Churchill were right, of course. The mongoloid Russians became a problem, and are still a problem.
Ike and Beetle Smith were wrong. McArthur said something to the tune of ‘Ike was one of the best clerks I ever saw.’
This administration creates situations to harm this country.
But Marie Harf said it was a lack of jobs.
The specific form and name aren’t really important.
So do you believe in Unicorns and Keebler Elves too?
15 of the 19 Al Qaeda Hijackers were Saudi Nationals.
You saying Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with September 11th is like saying Japan had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.
Saudi Arabia tried to buy the Gas Pip line from Assad who refused to sell it to them. When this did not work out for them. The next thing you know the FSA comes out if Iraq and attacks the Assad Regime in Syria. Here are a few links below talking about it since once again you seem to not be very ignorant. You need to turn off that boob tube and start doing your own personal research on many sources instead of just gulliably absorbing the daily brainwashing from the so called “mainstream” media. Whose numbers are tanking by the way because people do not believe them anymore.
“The Financial Times reported in May 2013 that Saudi Arabia was becoming a larger provider of arms to the rebels.[100] Since the summer of 2013, Saudi Arabia has emerged as the main group to finance and arm the rebels.[107] Saudi Arabia has financed a large purchase of infantry weapons, such as Yugoslav-made recoilless guns and the M79 Osa, an anti-tank weapon, from Croatia via shipments shuttled through Jordan.[97] The weapons began reaching rebels in December 2012 which allowed rebels’ small tactical gains this winter against the army and militias loyal to Assad.[97] This was to counter shipments of weapons from Iran to Assad’s forces.[97]
Bashar al-Assad pointed at Saudi Arabia as the major supporter of terrorists and “leading the most extensive operation of direct sabotage against all the Arab world”.[108]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Qatar_and_Saudi_Arabia
“The tiny gas-rich state of Qatar has spent as much as $3bn over the past two years supporting the rebellion in Syria, far exceeding any other government, but is now being nudged aside by Saudi Arabia as the prime source of arms to rebels.
The cost of Qatar’s intervention, its latest push to back an Arab revolt, amounts to a fraction of its international investment portfolio. But its financial support for the revolution that has turned into a vicious civil war dramatically overshadows western backing for the opposition.
In dozens of interviews with the FT conducted in recent weeks, rebel leaders both abroad and within Syria as well as regional and western officials detailed Qatar’s role in the Syrian conflict, a source of mounting controversy.
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It has been common knowledge that Qatar has desperately wanted to construct a natural gas pipeline that will enable it to get natural gas to Europe for a very long time. The following is an excerpt from an article from 2009…
http://www.thenational.ae/business/energy/qatar-seeks-gas-pipeline-to-turkey
” Qatar has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports from the world’s biggest gasfield after it finishes an ambitious programme to more than double its capacity to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG).
“We are eager to have a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey,” Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the ruler of Qatar, said last week, following talks with the Turkish president Abdullah Gul and the prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the western Turkish resort town of Bodrum. “We discussed this matter in the framework of co-operation in the field of energy. In this regard, a working group will be set up that will come up with concrete results in the shortest possible time,” he said, according to Turkey’s Anatolia news agency.
Other reports in the Turkish press said the two states were exploring the possibility of Qatar supplying gas to the strategic Nabucco pipeline project, which would transport Central Asian and Middle Eastern gas to Europe, bypassing Russia. A Qatar-to-Turkey pipeline might hook up with Nabucco at its proposed starting point in eastern Turkey. Last month, Mr Erdogan and the prime ministers of four European countries signed a transit agreement for Nabucco, clearing the way for a final investment decision next year on the EU-backed project to reduce European dependence on Russian gas.
“For this aim, I think a gas pipeline between Turkey and Qatar would solve the issue once and for all,” Mr Erdogan added, according to reports in several newspapers. The reports said two different routes for such a pipeline were possible. One would lead from Qatar through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq to Turkey. The other would go through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey. It was not clear whether the second option would be connected to the Pan-Arab pipeline, carrying Egyptian gas through Jordan to Syria. That pipeline, which is due to be extended to Turkey, has also been proposed as a source of gas for Nabucco.
Based on production from the massive North Field in the Gulf, Qatar has established a commanding position as the world’s leading LNG exporter. It is consolidating that through a construction program aimed at increasing its annual LNG production capacity to 77 million tonnes by the end of next year, from 31 million tonnes last year. However, in 2005, the emirate placed a moratorium on plans for further development of the North Field in order to conduct a reservoir study.”
Getting back to Syria. This group initially called, the FSA (aka the Free Syrian Army). who operates as a Proxy Army for Saudi Arabia since Syria would not sell that gas pipeline. It is later discovered that most of these so called “FSA” are mainly Al Qaeda. At first this was denied, then admitted some, then it was said as high as 50%, then it got up to 90%. They carry the same black battle flag as Al Qaeda (see links below).
Nevertheless, guys like Obama, John McCain, Lindsey Graham wanted U.S. Troops to go to war, for Saudi Arabia, against Syria. Did you forgot all the photos online of active troops (hiding their faces) saying they did not want to be Al Qaeda’s Air Force? We almost went to war with Syria in 2011 and I am convinced it did not happen because Dempsey must have been warned there would have been a mutiny in the military.
So we did not go to the war with Syria. The next thing that’s happening besides John McCain having a conniption fit. All these top Generals and Admirals are being fired.
More interesting is a new group called “ISIS”. The group ISIS did not exist prior to 2012. They were known as Al Qaeda. So all they did was change their name.... They operate under the same battle flag financed and supplied by Saudi Arabia.
This is the same group that originally known as the Mujahideen, founded by National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, in 1979 to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The Mujahideen was armed, trained mostly by Saudi Arabia who got their weapons from us. Did you forget about the the U.S. Stinger Missiles?
Anyhow, they had a leader by the name of Osama Bin Laden. The Mujahideen, changed it’s name and morphed into Al Qaeda after the fall of the Soviet Union. They then became the new bad guys.
They had their name until 2012 when ISIS was rolled out. After all Al Qaeda was gone since OBL is now dead. That whole story is begining to unravel.
Its the same Black Battle Flag. See links below.
Black Battle Flag of Al Qaeda
Black Battle Flag of ISIS
A lot of people know this now. It’s spreading like wild fire.
So you are the one that is obviously confused.
15 of the 19 Al Qaeda Hijackers were Saudi Nationals.
Quite right. Does not mean they were working for their government.
Not a fan of the Saudi royals, but with possible exception of a few idiots among them, the royals simply cannot be in favor of a takeover by either ISIS or AQ. They'd be the first to be beheaded, and they know it.
You’ve misspelled Marie’s last name.
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