Posted on 06/18/2015 2:42:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I thought this @ssHat thinks Hillary is going to win?
“Obama got in there twice. There is ALREADY something Very wrong with the average voter.”
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or, the voting machines in some key precincts?
Debates? Hillary doesn’t need to do any debates. It’s not going to happen
The guy is a traitor to thus country.
We need a person who does not collaborate and connive behind closed doors with Pres VJ , Soros,Paul Amnesty Ryan, Bonehead, and Mitchy to sell out us to massive corporate soulless creatures.
Well I did say got in there. I did not say “elected”.
LOLOL! Excellent point! Gets tiring, doesn’t it?
The GOPe has decided to bury Cruz in an avalanche of Graham, Trump, etc. it ain’t gonna work.
I wouldn’t do it to defend some “me, too!,” squishy-soft, Ripon Republican. So what if his wife worked for a large financial firm?
It's a topsy turvy world..... success is now viewed as a bad thing! People used to clamor to work for large, established firms. They provided good insurance and more job stability (in that the larger firms would be around longer).
Sure, Cruz will eviscerate Hillary in a debate.
But women and a good number of men will have a visceral emotional reaction to him doing so. Hillary will exploit this by playing the victim card, just like she did when Lazio walked across the stage with that piece of paper in the first Senate debate.
So Cruz will “win”, but will lose due to the perception of being an a*****e.
Good example of this would be a comparative analysis of the Palin-Biden and Ryan-Biden VP debates. Biden kept clear of anything that would generate emotional sympathy for Palin. He was MUCH rougher on Ryan.
Hillary isn’t this loveable, cherished national figure. Cruz is an Ivy League debate champion he knows how to debate and furthermore I think Americans would welcome Hillary being challenged. Remember the first Romeny/Obama debate? The first debate between Cruz and Hillary would be that on steroids and Cruz wouldn’t let up in the following debates either.
About the only ones I’d worry about in a debate with Hillary are Jeb and Rick Perry.
I think you underestimate the emotional reaction to having a male thrash a woman in a debate. Particularly the reaction from women. And regardless of it being Hillary.
I honestly don’t think that meme would work with Hillary. She is not “feminine”, “motherly”, “matronly” or any of that. She’s a pit viper, and I for one would like to see her get pegged down in a debate. Her supporters are holding onto her because they HAVE to. Not because of love and sympathy.
Except that it DID work for her in the Lazio debate.
Imagine the imagery of her getting pummeled by Cruz, with quick cuts to the audience everytime Cruz lands a rhetorical punch, showing Chelsea sitting there with Charlotte on her lap.
That was a lifetime ago, frankly. It wouldn’t have mattered. Bill Clinton was so busy handing out pardons, favors and kickbacks as President to vital NY interest groups she wouldn’t have lost anything. All that isn’t relevant today.
It’s actually more relevant because we have even MORE voters who are heavily invested in the identity politics thing.
You simply cannot compare structured collegiate debate with political debate. Collegiate debate (and I did both high school and college forensics) involves pretty strict scoring rules. Political debate is ALL about image.
There’s a reason why JFK trounced Nixon in the 1960 debate with people who watched on TV, while Nixon won with people who listened on the radio. That still applies and is relevant today. Nixon could certainly console himself, albiet as a private citizen, that he’d really won that debate on points.
No. This “concern” thing has to stop. The propriety of debate wasn’t observed with Biden and Ryan, was it? It has never been observed by Democrats, period.
We are in an all-out ideological war with these would-be tyrants and the very last thing we need to do is play nice and follow the rules.
Screw nice.
Oh, I agree that the “concern” thing needs to stop.
But we also need to live in realty. Realty says that you don’t beat up a grandmother in a live, nationally televised debate without people concluding that you’re an a*****e. And a lot of people won’t vote for an a*****e even if they think he’s right.
How many votes did Al Gore lose after he sighed his way through that 2000 debate with Bush? How many votes did Bush Sr. lose after he kept looking at his watch during that 1992 debate with Clinton.
The good thing I think is that Cruz is smart enough to know this (even if his supporters dont) and soften his debate tactics like Biden did against Palin. If he does get the nomination it’ll be interesting to see how his supporters react to him using a lighter touch that denies them the rhetorical bloodletting they so crave.
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