Posted on 06/26/2015 10:50:01 AM PDT by Tzimisce
So since Gays now have a right to get married, does that mean all churches (but strangely not mosques) are required to have their services?
Exactly, only it won't be a lawsuit, it will be an Executive Order and the IRS will be only too happy to oblige. The only lawsuit involved will be on behalf of the churches hoping to force the government to respect the First Amendment. It will appear in front of the Supreme Court and it will fail.
The impish gays are out and about gloating.
Simply remind them that this only give you the right for a secular marriage.
In the eyes of God, these homosexual marriages do not exist.
They can never have that.
No. The legal decisions do not have to be logical or consistent. Courts can and do carve out all manner of exception.
One way to do this is only accept the cases where the petitioner was denied a marriage ceremony in a Christian church, and order just that church to perform the ceremony. Then, if a separate case comes up under an Islamic church, the court finds a reason for a different outcome. The only principle that works is "what outcome do we want."
Maybe some churches, Roman Catholic and Southern Baptist Convention for examples, will stop performing legal marriages. The couple will have to go to the county administration building for a civil ceremony before they can have a religious wedding at the church. The priest or minister will not sign any official government forms. That way the church can say “We do not perform legal marriages for anybody.”
No-—they will infiltrate. The Marxists always join and infiltrate and destroy from within.....that is what the homosexual Marxists did to the CC.
And trust me——everything I have read—and everything I have studied states that pederasty is a normal aspect of homosexuals-—it is the sexualization of children which removes sexual morality.
Just the idea given to young children a a perversion of their Natural Identity formation and the embedded ideas will form Reality, which destroy Logic and tears apart Natural Law which is the basis of Individualism and Natural Rights from God and Logic and Objective Truth.
This is about destroying the Christian Worldview and removing Reason and Logic (Classical Western Civ) from Minds of children. It manipulates the sexual desires-—during Latency which will warp desires and Virtue.
If they can force the rewriting of the Bible or infuse their ideas in children—which they have done in LOTS of so-called “Christian “ churches, they will succeed. They are using fascism and “Legal” Laws to destroy every person who doesn’t conform to their irrational, vile, Marxist use of human beings.
Justice Kennedy says we can “advocate” as Christians…as opposed to the FREE EXERCISE to practice religion as STATED in the Constitution?
Things will change for the church, but only as far as its members comply. Intelligent civil disobedience can run circles around the Government. Remember that the Government can seize the churches, but it will have a harder problem seizing Christians. Christians are not here to be willing martyrs to fascism. Think of the policies that are going to be enacted as the equivalent of the laws the Nazis enacted during the 1930’s. History is the guide, resistance is the answer.
Hence the reason I said “Your religious freedoms are GONE, according to FedGov.”. According to FedGov, not according to mainstream Christian America. I agree wholeheartedly with you. We are not losing it - we are simply going to be required to stand and fight for it in the face of pure evil.
What has happened in the Catholic Church may not be as easily accomplished in a Protestant Church. The individual by-laws of the various churches would have to be thrown out. Before that happens, the infiltrators would be expelled..................
You said it better than I did.
Now that the Supreme Court of the United States has decided that it can rewrite the Bible, all sins are accepted.
I would put money on there being suits in the courts before September 1. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was sooner. They’re going to be out in droves trying generate a case.
If clergy are required to perform homosexual marriages in violation of their consciences or, more importantly, in violation of their religious body’s theology, then we would be in the position of having the government dictate what is acceptable religious doctrine. Among Catholics, Orthodox, and some Anglicans, a wedding ceremony is not just a pleasant service or even a prayerful blessing, but a sacrament — the same as baptism and communion — in which divine grace is imparted. As their theology stands, it is not possible to join two homosexuals in marriage.
Such a requirement would an assault on the First Amendment from multiple angles. If the government is no longer going to hold up its end of the bargain on the Bill of Rights, then as far as I am concerned, the contract between the government and the people is broken. Religious bodies that do not accept homosexual marriage should prepare themselves to resist— by any means available to them — the requirements of an American government that has ceased to be American, and defend the freedom and rights given us by our Creator.
I believe that organized religion/churches have been consorting with the devil for too long. They are about to get burned. My libertarian leanings say marriage should be entirely a religious affair and that the government should have nothing to do with it in any manner or derivative, but society has long disagreed with that and coupled the two together. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Marriage is fast becoming a dime a dozen institution and its going to get a lot worse before long. I think churches need to decouple their affairs and beliefs from Caesar. Not exactly sure how best to do that, but there has to be a way. Giving up tax exempt status is one way. NOT recognizing any marriage outside of their own church is another. They need to make every belief a core tenant of their religion, trumpet them, and wrap themselves in the 1st amendment's freedom of speech (and belief). My two cents.
The last time the churches were for truly for freedom was during the abolition movement, and the American Revolution.
I don’t know if they recognize Christian marriage as it is. Would they see performing a same sex marriage as a joke? Would doing so help to destroy Christian traditional marriage?
Churches? No. Marriage Chapels ? Yes.
Yes.
Exactly. And the problem is, they are demanding that ministers condone their sin by marrying them. That is morally no different than giving an alcoholic a bottle of whiskey or congratulating the adulterer for cheating on his wife. We have to answer to God for enabling another sinner to sin, and as we all know, sin leads to spiritual death. The Bible is very clear about leading others astray by accepting their sin. What they want is for believers to basically tell homosexuals that it’s okay for them to sin, rather than telling them to repent of their sin and be saved. I really cannot see true believers, in good conscience, sinning this way against God and man.
We need to stand firm and pray for the Church, because very dark times are ahead.
No, they won’t be required to do anything if it violates their restrictions against who can and can’t get married in their church. As an example, Catholics have very real restrictions about who can and can’t marry in the church or by a priest. For instance, both have to be baptized Christians, not divorced without an annulment, etc. The government can’t force them to marry anyone who doesn’t go through their approval process.
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