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Small Businesses Threatened With $36,500 IRS Fines For Helping Employees With Health Costs
Forbes ^ | 6/30/15 | Grace-Marie Turner

Posted on 06/30/2015 12:37:57 PM PDT by Nachum

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To: wiggen

You might want to check into the health sharing ministries. They’re exempt from deathcare penalties and cost about half what deathcare policies do.


41 posted on 06/30/2015 2:15:23 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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To: EVO X

Actually - the tax status of the check is immaterial. No matter pre or post tax status, the employer giving money to defray health care costs is against the rule. At least, according to this article.


42 posted on 06/30/2015 2:19:56 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
I can foresee a lot of employees being fired on a Friday afternoon and being re-hired the next Monday Morning.
43 posted on 06/30/2015 2:29:08 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: MortMan

Maybe I’m not understanding the problem here... couldn’t the employer just call it a raise and be done with it? Money is money, no need to explicitly say “this is for your health care” it’s just part of the salary.


44 posted on 06/30/2015 2:32:04 PM PDT by fluffy
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To: fluffy

Given the current anti-law stance of the courts, would you make that bet?

It’s another example of the IRS undermining the actual law - and SCOTUS just gave a standing ovation (6-3) for the last act.


45 posted on 06/30/2015 2:35:24 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: MortMan
Actually - the tax status of the check is immaterial

I am not a tax expert, but I think you're wrong. Business's that give employees an end of year bonus would be penalized.

46 posted on 06/30/2015 2:38:10 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Nachum

“. . . regulation writers at the IRS.”

Regulations can be over-ruled — I’m no lawyer, but regulations are easier to change than laws.

IIRC, massive public and House and Senate outcry/pressure can do it.

Since the IRS is on everyone’s shit list, this may not be a big deal.


47 posted on 06/30/2015 2:42:34 PM PDT by Taxman (H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
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To: VMI70; tbw2
“I don’t remember when they stopped, but if you worked for Budweiser, you got a couple of free cases every month.”

Same with Philip Morris-a carton a week.

I had read somewhere that the makers of the original Tabasco Sauce gave employees a case a week, IIRC.

A few cases of beer and a cartoon of smokes is awesome, but what in the world can you do with cases of Tabasco sauce ?

And I love the stuff but wow !!

48 posted on 06/30/2015 2:43:01 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: I want the USA back

ObamaCare was written so badly that it left this huge hole that the IRS decided to fill all on their own.


49 posted on 06/30/2015 2:43:07 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: tbw2
I don’t remember when they stopped, but if you worked for Budweiser, you got a couple of free cases every month.

I know that they were doing it at least in 2004. After that, not for certain. Watched it going on at their New Hampshire brewery.

50 posted on 06/30/2015 2:43:34 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: MortMan
No matter pre or post tax status, the employer giving money to defray health care costs is against the rule. At least, according to this article.

Easy way around it. If you're cutting a separate check, then stop. Bump their pay that amount. Yes, it will be taxable, but it will certainly help with the additional costs.

51 posted on 06/30/2015 2:46:18 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: I want the USA back
The rule appears nowhere in the Affordable Care Act but was developed by the Obama administration’s regulation writers at the IRS.
52 posted on 06/30/2015 2:50:00 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I am not sure it helps... if their pay goes up, their responsibility to pay for healthcare on the exchanges will also go up. Might bump them into a much more expensive bracket on the exchange. Not the same as giving them assistance.


53 posted on 06/30/2015 2:52:46 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: ican'tbelieveit

The main thing is that Uncle Sam gets more with the bump in pay than with the insurance subsidy. Might not be a lot per employee but it’s a lot all added together.


54 posted on 06/30/2015 4:02:37 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet into FlixNet)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I visited that brewery once.


55 posted on 06/30/2015 4:04:23 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I wanta Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: NEMDF

Now you’re talkin and you’ve got it RIGHT IMO!!! Neither the article made it as clear as this comment of your’s has, not any of the prior discussion. I think you have completely pulled the covers of the intended purpose of this IRS rule making.


56 posted on 06/30/2015 4:27:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Help Stamp Out Pernicious Progressives and Arrogant Activists With Their Liberalism!!!)
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To: fluffy

The problem is if the healthcare stipend is classified as tax free.

If the govt can collect taxes on the “extra” compensation it’s just fine.


57 posted on 06/30/2015 5:47:08 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Nachum

As a small business owner, we no longer even talk about health care or insurance or whatever per advice from our tax attorney.


58 posted on 06/30/2015 6:10:53 PM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: Nachum
Thanks, Nachum. I passed this on to my employed children and to friends who have kids employed by small businesses. Veterinarians, for example. From the article:

This is a rigid and thoughtless bureaucratic rule

Oh really? Whoda thunk Obamacare would be anything but kind and thoughtful, a boon to all.

59 posted on 06/30/2015 6:23:38 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Fledermaus

I visited the BMW factory in Munich in the 90’s and the assembly line workers were allowed so much beer per day during work. I can’t do the metric thing but it looked like close to a quart.


60 posted on 06/30/2015 6:47:19 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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