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DEAR AMERICA: Here's why everyone thinks you have a problem with guns(?)
businessinsider.com ^ | 6/28/2015 | Matthew Speiser

Posted on 07/01/2015 8:59:35 AM PDT by rktman

Other countries don't have America's gun problem.

Here, we take a look at the data that shows why America is so unlike the rest of the world when it comes to the popularity and the abuse of guns. We'll look at the role that policymakers play in the gun-control debate, and we'll look at what can be done (if anything).

It isn't pretty, but it's important. Hundreds of thousands of American lives hang in the balance.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; astroturf; banglist; guncontrol; matthewspeiser; secondamendment
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Well, that certainly clears things up for me. IF I had any guns, I'd be on my way to the cop shop to turn 'em in. Sadly, we had some flash flooding yesterday and, well you know what happened.
1 posted on 07/01/2015 8:59:35 AM PDT by rktman
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“Hundreds of thousands of American lives hang in the balance.”

Liar.

The murder rate in the U.S. is around 18,000 per year, a rate not too different than many countries with extreme gun control.


2 posted on 07/01/2015 9:02:36 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( A system of g84overnment that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyer)
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Dear BI,

I don’t give rat’s a$$ what “everyone” else thinks.

Now go make me a sammich, biatch!


3 posted on 07/01/2015 9:03:12 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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I just read another article that said there are more guns than people in the US.
It's an absolute miracle the guns haven't taken over and killed every one of us all already. /s

4 posted on 07/01/2015 9:03:15 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Dear Foreigner, you should take our Black Folks off our hands to help keep them safe. Any interest?


5 posted on 07/01/2015 9:03:20 AM PDT by The Toll
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All this really tells me is that I really don’t think BI has anything of benefit to me.


6 posted on 07/01/2015 9:05:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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I wonder what would happen if they correlated all those murder charts with demographic information.


7 posted on 07/01/2015 9:05:29 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Arbitrary Comparisons Between Countries

The U.S. has a high gun murder rate, whereas a country like England with strict gun controls has almost no gun murders and a very low murder rate. Doesn’t this show that gun control is effective in reducing murder rates? Not exactly. Prior to having any gun controls, England already had a homicide rate much lower than the United States (Guns, Murders, and the Constitution: A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control, Don B. Kates Jr.). Japan is another country typically cited (see Japanese Gun Control, by David B. Kopel). (Briefly discussing the difference in homicide rates between England and the U.S. is Clayton Cramer’s, Variations in California Murder Rates: Does Gun Availability Cause High Murder Rates?)

Gun control opponents can play similar games. The Swiss with 7 million people have hundreds of thousands of fully-automatic rifles in their homes (see GunCite’s “Swiss Gun Laws”) and the Israelis, until recently, have had easy access to guns (brief summary of Israeli firearms regulations here). Both countries have low homicide rates. Likewise this doesn’t mean more guns less crime.

The U.S. has a higher non-gun murder rate than many European country’s total murder rates. On the other hand, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Mexico have non-gun murder rates in excess of our total murder rate.

Incidentally in 13th century Europe, several studies have estimated homicide rates in major cities to be around 60 per 100,000. (Even back then, the equivalent of coroners, kept records.)

There are many, many factors, some much more prominent than gun availability that influence homicide rates and crime in general. (See this excerpt from 1997 FBI Uniform Crime Report and GunCite’s “Is Gun Ownership Correlated with Violent Deaths?”)

Due to the many confounding factors that arise when attempting international comparisons, this approach would appear to hold little promise for determining the influence of gun levels (or handgun availability) on violence rates.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html


8 posted on 07/01/2015 9:05:43 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( A system of g84overnment that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyer)
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” Other countries don’t have America’s gun problem. “

Blah blah....OTHER countries are careful who they let live there. We let every slimeball POS who can fog up a mirror in, especially illegal immigrants.


9 posted on 07/01/2015 9:05:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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I remember a story from a couple of years ago about a crazy guy in China who killed more than twenty people with a knife by attacking a crowd in a bus station (or perhaps it was a train station).

And remember the case of George Weller, who killed 10 and injured 63 by driving his car at high speed into a crowded farmer’s market in Santa Monica.


10 posted on 07/01/2015 9:06:02 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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You need to get with the program.

Mexico is proof gun control works.

I’ve also heard hand grenade control works just as well as gun control in Mexico.


11 posted on 07/01/2015 9:06:52 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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You can put almost three and half Europe's into the US. We're like nine million sqmiles and Europe is about three.

Using my estimates (which is just as good as libs using their Magic 8 Ball )over 90% of those murders were with stolen guns.

12 posted on 07/01/2015 9:06:54 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( "Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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""Other countries don't have America's gun problem..."

He means other countries don't have America's pesky FREEDOM problem.

13 posted on 07/01/2015 9:07:41 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan ('Zionists crept into my home and stole my shoe' - Headline)
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“I just read another article that said there are more guns than people in the US.”

That’s a good starting point.


14 posted on 07/01/2015 9:07:48 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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Other countries don't have America's gun problem.

That's true. In progressive countries like North Korea the government can kill it's citizens with total impunity. In American due to the proliferation of guns the government can't yet do the same. Which poses a problem for people like Bill Ayres and their acolytes.

15 posted on 07/01/2015 9:07:58 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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I’d be on my way to the cop shop to turn ‘em in. —

Read about Germany, pre WWII.

Couldn’t own one, couldn’t touch one, had to turn them in to police.

Folks supposedly dragged them in on the end of a rope.


16 posted on 07/01/2015 9:08:07 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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Crime and Self-Defense

* Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms.[11]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone “almost certainly would have been killed” if they “had not used a gun for protection.” Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”[12]

* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]

* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun “for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere.” Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”[19]

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been “scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim”

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they “knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun”

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been “scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim”[22]

* Click here to see why the following commonly cited statistic does not meet Just Facts’ Standards of Credibility: “In homes with guns, the homicide of a household member is almost 3 times more likely to occur than in homes without guns.”

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp


17 posted on 07/01/2015 9:08:22 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ( A system of g84overnment that makes the People subordinate to a committee of nine unelected lawyer)
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Common core math to arrive at those numbers over the next 5 years? It’s not the bottom line number anymore, it’s the process used to arrive at the conclusion that’s important. :>}


18 posted on 07/01/2015 9:08:40 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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Really, the opinions of ferners, and in particular Euro-weenies, is of no value.


19 posted on 07/01/2015 9:08:43 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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"This type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries," Obama said...

Perhaps not, but I don't hear him bitching about beheadings in other countries. Methinks Obozo has an agenda to disarm the American citizen and most voters aren't capable of thinking for themselves and understand the long run implications of that.

20 posted on 07/01/2015 9:09:10 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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