Posted on 07/25/2015 12:36:05 PM PDT by markomalley
The state of Kentucky has begun imposing a religious test on volunteer pastor counselors in its youth division, insisting that they refrain from calling homosexuality “sinful” and dismissing those who cannot bend their religious faith to accommodate the state requirements.
The policy was uncovered by Liberty Counsel, which has sent a letter to Bob Hayter, commissioner of the Kentucky Department of Juvenile Justice, demanding that the state religious test be dropped and that a dismissed counselor be reinstated.
“Liberty Counsel writes regarding the blatantly unconstitutional revocation of volunteer prison minister status of ordained Christian minister David Wells, who has provided voluntary spiritual counseling and mentorship to juvenile inmates under the control of the Department of Juvenile Justice. … This revocation was issued by Warren County Regional Juvenile Detention Center on the basis of the April 4, 2014, DJJ Policy 912, which mandates full DJJ support of homosexuality and transvestism.
“With no evidence of any violation of DJJ policy on Mr. Wells’ part, his volunteer status was revoked by the Warren RJDC superintendent because he could not sign a state-mandated statement that homosexuality was not ‘sinful,’ among other things,” the letter said.
The policy states that DJJ staff, volunteers and others “shall not imply or tell LGBTQI juveniles that they are abnormal, deviant, sinful or that they can or should change their sexual orientation or gender identity.”
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If not “sinful” how about other words:
Depraved
Abhorrent
Perverted
Destructive
...
This kind of “compromise” will drive out the dedicated and reduce the rest to feckless feel-goodism.
I suspect, strongly, a lot of this is out of fear of getting sued on the basis of the new law from the USSC.
Well, any pastor telling the congregation that homosexuality is a sin is just quoting scripture.
They are going to have to censor The Bible - it is going to have to be considered “hate” literature.
Isaiah 5:20 applies.
As does Amendment 1.
Liberty Counsel is good...as is the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Both worthwhile organizations.
Certainly there is excellent reason to bring this situation up. This is about state chaplains, it sounds like.
It isn’t a foregone conclusion things HAVE to continue this way, but it was expectable given the confusion that results in the wake of the USSC passing huge new laws like they just did. Because when they do, they do not even bother to try to make it make sense for everybody like a legislature might.
"And he might neither buy nor sell, save him that had the mark."
I dont think any one organization can take on every case presented to them, you ask an impossible standard no group can achieve. They dont have unlimited resources and they know that if they win certain cases, the case law can help resolve other similar cases without having to do them individually.
Ok forget “sin”.
Let homosexuals refute the FACT that nature selected Sex (the genetic exchange between Male and Female) because Sex increases the fitness of species.
And then let them refute the FACT that what they’ve selected for worship isn’t Sex - but self-gratifying / self-worshiping mutual masturbation.
They won’t - because they CAN’T.
“Toning it down” is a lot different than saying they cannot say homosexuality is sin. It is not the same thing.
Abomination
Filth
Ungodliness
Is this quote a lie?
Sounds like "toning it down" clear to silence.
>>I dont think any one organization can take on every case presented to them, you ask an impossible standard no group can achieve. They dont have unlimited resources and they know that if they win certain cases, the case law can help resolve other similar cases without having to do them individually.
I agree fully with what you said above. That’s why I cautioned you about using win/loss statistics as an indicator of anything but their ability to choose the right battles to fight.
Liberty Counsel is hardly afraid of losing cases. I reject your arguments premise.
BTDT. A few hundred years ago, we invented dreidels to cover for the fact that we were reading Torah on Chanukah...
A healthy degree of caution also is incumbent on the issue given that it is a quintessentially spiritual fight. What kind of prayer support are they getting? If they are involved in trying to move a mountain that everyone sees needs moved, they will get more support than if it is to move a low priority molehill.
Within tightly circumscribed limits set by the Constitution.
The State can't "make a rule" that says, "All Jews are downrange, and everybody has to shoot at them", or "all Christians who do not burn incense on the altar of Mopsus or Jupiter Optimus Maximus shall be subject to the punishment of noxii ad bestias, viz., subligation to a large, wild animal."
Try smoking that one. Yes, it's reductio ad absurdum -- sort of. After all, these things were actually done. Jews got shot. Christians were bound to brown bears and torn to pieces. It all happened, dude.
That's why we have a Constitution, contrary you n/w/s.
So to follow on could something fill in here with the dreidl role?
The exaltation of dedicated marital sexual relations is the only thing that could really help, and that is as counter cultural as all get out.
On the good side, maybe we can force religions to throw out gluttony due to chocolate... Maybe it could be sponsored by a candy company..... Or Satan, either one...
I know a lot of co religionists who would not mind one bit if rabbis were forced by law to allow bacon into kashrut.... Or lobster...
;)
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