Posted on 07/29/2015 9:26:25 AM PDT by barmag25
The University of Cincinnati is reportedly closed down this afternoon as police officers prepare for potential riots over the death of an unarmed man who was killed by university cops during a traffic stop last week.
Samuel Dubose, 43, who is black, was shot and killed by white UC Officer Ray Tensing after Tensing reported that he was “dragged” by Dubose’s vehicle and “had to fire.” The shooting, called “not good” by Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell, was captured on Tensing’s body camera and is set to be released today:
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I have no problem giving great deference to cops on the street, and the split-second survival decisions scofflaws and criminals often force them to make.
the way I read it, the shot was fired in self defense while an attempted murder by vehicle was in progress
the crime here was attempted vehicular homocide by the black driver
Oh, I am not defending the cop!!!
But they're sure to start spreading the word that the cop was saving the community by stopping this "thug" and turning this into a Sharpton vs. Redneck sideshow. And jurors will side with the flimsiest cop excuse and the prosecutor knows it.
I fear this story is just starting. And the Tamir Rice case will be worse.
What is it with Ohio cops? And pro sports teams?
The two cops lied. Even the prosecutor said they had clearly established that.
No person, while under the influence of sudden passion or in a sudden fit of rage, either of which is brought on by serious provocation occasioned by the victim that is reasonably sufficient to incite the person into using deadly force, shall knowingly cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another's pregnancy.
Ohio caselaw states that: "For provocation to be reasonably sufficient, it must be sufficient to arouse the passions of an ordinary person beyond the power of his or her control."
I think it would be difficult to show that the victim here engaged in "reasonably sufficient" provocation here. Very difficult.
Looks like the dummy was trying to drive off and the cop blew him away.
Did you watch the video?
In OTR? Or where?
I noticed that as well. It was full.
I’m worried about the reverse: today’s presenters were SO condemning & critical of the cop, so over the top about it, that methinks they’re trying to satisfying the mob by sacrificing the cop - guilt/innocence be d@mmed.
It’s one thing to say “yeah, looks like this cop over-reacted and improperly shot a suspect over a furtive movement”, it’s another to say “seems he woke up that morning and decided to kill someone” (exact wording escapes me).
This case IS being thrown, with no consideration of what non-thrown outcome might be.
I have a great deal of respect for police as well. The vast majority of them do a very good job under very trying circumstances, a job I don't think I would be very good at. But their job also comes with a great deal of responsibility. The responsibility to abide by the law and not abuse their authority. The responsiblity to use deadly force only as a last resort. Tens of thousands of cops go out and do their job every day and stay within those guidelines. When they don't. When they abuse their authority, as I believe that cop in Texas did, or when they use deadly force as a first resort rather than last, as I believe this cop did, then I think they shouldn't be trusted with the authority the badge gives them. And when they cross the line and kill people without cause then I think the full weight of the justice system should land on them. Unfortunately the record of either of those occuring when they should is very spotty lately.
Well it’s just a shame people/cops resort to this level of violence/action when it was absolutely unnecessary and uncalled for.
Cincinnati is clearly attempting to save it’s butt by throwing water on any potential fires/riots. Can’t blame them.
Might be they’re just looking for another opportunity to loot...it does seem to pay off...then after the destruction our tax dollars can send them more to rebuild and clean up. Do it’s a two-fer for them.
I’ve now watched the video several times and I think there may be some unknown factors that could potentially justify this shooting. Immediately before the shooting Mr. Dubose appears to start the car and put in gear, thus exhibiting his intent to drive away against Officer Tensing’s lawful command. It’s not clear on the video to me what is happening with Officer Tensing’s left hand at that moment. If Mr. Dubose was in any way holding Officer Tensing’s hand then I believe that Officer Tensing may have legitimately felt that he was in mortal danger of being dragged to death given Mr. Dubose’s clear intent to illegally drive away. If all this happened this way, then I think that at that time this shooting might have been justified.
Alas, they’re throwing gasoline instead of water.
Showing the video (objectively interesting, but subjectively incites rage) and basically spending an hour declaring “yeah, the cop is guilty as he11”, sure won’t calm things.
You are right that he started the car. That's not enough to justify the shoot. The gin does nothing because it's unopened. I don't remember enough about use of force on fleeing suspects, but the cop in about 3 seconds draws, sticks his gun into the guy's head and shoots. I'd be shocked if department policy says that on the basis of what you list above the cop can righteously draw, reach his hand in to the car with the gun in the suspect's face, and pull the trigger, unless you can show danger to the cop or to others.
The only basis the cop has for the shoot is that the driver refused, attempted to escape, and it's not clear where his hands were going. Left goes to the wheel it looks like, right looks like it goes to the shifter. The YouTube version: Body Cam of Sam DuBose Shooting does not show a justification for the shoot.
I'm not going to condemn the cop. In my opinion on the basis of that video, he overreacted. He's human, in a high-stress job, and people make mistakes. But people also have to pay for the mistakes they make, and I think he's going to end up with some kind of manslaughter conviction on this one.
Is that what the officer claimed in his report? If so why would the officer lie and state he was being drug by the suspect/vehicle when he was clearly not being drug by the suspect or vehicle.
Let’s see Kasich in action.
It’s hard to see...the officer could have thought the driver was reaching for something. Driver should have just taken off the seat belt and removed himself from the car. You are not going to win if you sit and just ask the officer why, why, why.
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