Conservatives provide a reality check on Donald Trump's mass deportation plan

Examiner ^ | August 22, 2015 | Mark Whittington

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Ever since Donald Trump, the mercurial businessman, media personality, and presidential candidate, proposed his immigration policy, centering on the mass deportation of up to 11 million human beings, reaction among conservatives has been decidedly mixed. Ann Coulter, for whom illegal immigration is the alpha and the omega of public policy, exalted that Trump could perform abortions in the White House, and she would not care. But Charles Krauthammer, writing in the National Review on Thursday, and George Will, in his latest column published Saturday, provided reality checks.

Krauthammer wondered what the practical political effects would be of reenacting the Trail of Tears on a mass scale would be on the Republican Party, poised as it is on the edge of its greatest victory since 1980. His answer is not very hopeful.

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Will, on the other hand, concentrates on how big government would have to grow to implement Trump’s plan.

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............. Even Ted Cruz, no slouch where it comes to illegal immigration, realizes that this would require a constitutional amendment, a dubious prospect at best.

The upshot is that there exist practical ways of dealing with illegal immigration that most people would not find abhorrent. These include securing the borders with a wall, cracking down on people who overstay their visas, eliminating the abuse of H1-B work visas where some companies are replacing American workers with cheaper foreign workers, and dealing with the illegals that are already here in some way that is not as obnoxious as mass deportation and not as craven as amnesty. Trump’s proposal, at least according to Krauthammer and Will, would likely lead to a liberal president who would enact mass amnesty, creating millions of Democratic voters that would reduce the Republican Party to permenant minority status.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

This is politics; Cruz (your candidate) is not beneath doing what it takes. So please, get off your high horse. Since you say you aren't a Trump supporter (so it's the usual anti-Walker posting that has brought you here) and since you have posted anti-Walker threads, let me drop this information about your candidate.

“...And, for the party’s top donors, who hear pleas from all corners, “it’s more than some of these other candidates have for a path to victory,” says a GOP strategist familiar with Cruz’s pitch. As for those dreaded consultants the senator so often maligns, he’s not beyond their reach.

The Cruz campaign has paid Axiom Strategies, the consulting firm owned by Cruz’s campaign manager, Jeff Roe, about $30,000 a month. A spokesman for the campaign says that fee covers Roe’s salary as well as those of three other campaign staffers. J2 Strategic Communications, the firm established by Cruz’s senior adviser, Jason Johnson, is also paid $20,000 a month for campaign work, which a Cruz spokesman says is the closest their operation comes to a traditional campaign-consultant relationship.

One of Roe’s former clients was former Texas lieutenant governor David Dewhurst, the establishment candidate defeated in a 2012 Senate bid by political upstart Ted Cruz.

That’s how quickly friends of the Republican establishment can become foes, and vice versa. Now, Cruz is hoping for a similar transformation if he manages to make his renegade brand that of the Republican standard-bearer. Source

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Like I said...

[2ndDivisionVet]

Weak sauce. Try harder.

[R_Kangel]

..... Well .... Instead of the standard ..... "Catch and Release"" .... how about we .... "Catch and Deport!!!" like other countries do?

[Yosemitest]

Scott Walker has SOLD OUT to the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" and CAN NOT BE TRUSTED !
Scott Walker, is PROVED to be TALKING OUT OF BOTHS SIDES OF THE ISSUE ( you CAN NOT TRUST him ! ).
Watch the videos and READ the article from HOT AIR, most certainly not on your list of band-sources.

... Two points.
One: He says he’s not for amnesty, his citizenship stance notwithstanding, but that’s not a new soundbite for Walker.
“Amnesty” means many things to many people;
to the Gang of Eight, for instance, the fact that illegals would be forced to meet certain requirements (paying back taxes, etc) before qualifying for citizenship meant that their plan wasn’t “amnesty.”
Walker’s been insisting for more than a year that he doesn’t support “amnesty” either
even though he does support citizenship and liberalizing the rules for legal immigration.

Two: He’s quick to tell Raddatz that he’ll lay out his own immigration plan eventually if he becomes a candidate,
which is his way of saying “don’t ask me anything too specific right now.”

Listening to him here, you would think he didn’t have firm opinions on immigration
yet beyond some basic principles like “secure the border.”
But that’s not so.
Watch him field a question on immigration from 2013 in the second clip below
and note what he says about border security at around 1:30.
For Walker, securing the border is less a matter of building a fence or hiring 10,000 new Border Patrol agents than it is about RELAXING THE RULES for legal admission to the U.S.
His view seems to be
that if you want to come here to work, IT SHOULD BE VERY EASY FOR YOU TO DO SO —
easy enough that you wouldn’t even think of crossing the border illegally, as the legal route would be just as simple.
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Scott Walker Non-Committal on Immigration ( 0:53 ) by National Review

Let's keep LOSER Walker in his home state.
We don't need any more SELLOUTS in Washington D.C., and especially in the Oval Office!

[okie01]

Didn't Mark Whittington used to be an editorial writer for the Houston Chronicle?

[hosepipe]

Put Walker in charge of hamstringing the Federal Workers Union..
as laws are passed to make it ILLEGAL.. and disbanded.. OR JAIL for YOU..

In the Cruz Administration.. TRUMP will only increase the size and scope of federal givernment..

Sure it may be a bit more “competent” but STILL HUMONGUS..

[Cincinatus' Wife]

You’re an excellent weather vein telling me I’ve posted something worthwhile, whenever you post that spam.

[piasa]

You can call Walker names all you want but loser is not one of them. What he accomplished against the communist left in Wisconsin was miraculous... and he did it without making donations to the Clinton Foundation and Harry Reid.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I don’t know. His stuff comes up at different places. He lives in the Houston area.

[Amendment10]

In a related thread, an anti-Trump author complained that Trump’s mass deportation plan will cost $165 billion plus or minus a couple of billion. (I don’t remember the exact figure.)

How awfull! /s

But to put the $165 billion into perspective, not only is it a drop in the bucket compared with the trillions that the currupt Washington cartel has scandalously put the country into debt for, but also consider the following.

How much are the unconstitutional federal welfare services that the post-17th Amendment ratification Senate is helping the House to provide for 11 million illegals costing taxpayers per year? I suspect that Trump’s $165 billion to send them home might prove to be a bargain in the long run with respect to what it is costing taxpayers to let them stay in the USA.

Insights welcome.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Sen. Cruz Presents Measure to Strengthen, Improve Legal Immigration ~ Offers amendment to increase H-1B visas to help improve, retain high-skilled labor force ~

[JediJones]

Trump’s proposal, at least according to Krauthammer and Will, would likely lead to a liberal president who would enact mass amnesty, creating millions of Democratic voters

So, instead, they want to skip Trump's presidency and jump immediately ahead to a president who will do exactly that.

[Kaosinla]

Having Will and Krauthammer determine the principles of conservatism (including the Sessions stamped immigration plan) is akin to Ahmadinejad being the torch bearer of Judaism...disgusting.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Your point is well taken.

That’s precisely why Scott Walker’s been taking funding away from Leftist institutions and Democrat bosses.

Money is what fuels their power.

[JediJones]

Covered in other threads and yeah, we’ll make that back in about 2 years after cutting the illegals off the dole.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Really?

No one is saying they’re the determiners. They’re giving their take.

They’re political observers and pundits.

Make your counter case.

[Yosemitest]

WHOI Walker was THEN ... and WHO Walker is NOW .... is 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VALUES !

[montag813]

Charles Krauthammer and George Will are NOT "conservatives".

Krauthammer voted for Carter and Mondale against Reagan, and was a speechwriter for Mondale. Um, kinda liberal.

George Will bashed Reagan relentlessly in the pages of the WSJ in 1979-80. Um, kinda RINO.

"NOT Conservative"

[2ndDivisionVet]

And?