Posted on 09/28/2015 7:45:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Last night, Donald Trump sat down with Scott Pelley on ’60 Minutes’ and made a gloriously confused barrage of promises and wishcasting about taxes, Social Security, ISIL, trade, and immigration. There’s a lot in there, but for my money his most laughable comments were about repealing Obamacare. Here’s the key section:
Scott Pelley: What’s your plan for Obamacare?
Donald Trump: Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent.
Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?
Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
Scott Pelley: Universal health care.
Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.
Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?
Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–
Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?
Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.
Okay, he’s going to repeal Obamacare, but replace it with a system where “everybody’s got to be covered.” Very Obamacare-ish.
According to Trump, uninsured people are going to get coverage because he’s going to “make a deal with existing hospitals” and “the government’s gonna pay for it.” There’s a word for this exact proposal: Medicaid. Trump probably doesn’t know this, but Medicaid expansion was a huge part of Obamacare. The “deal with existing hospitals” is so unfavorable for doctors and hospitals that many of them do not accept Medicaid patients because it would put them out of business. Does Trump know this? Meh, he doesn’t care.
But that’s just the uninsured. Trump goes on to say that “for the most part,” his plan will be “a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition.” If this idea also sounds strangely familiar, it is because this too is already part of our healthcare framework. Trump described the Obamacare exchanges just like Obama did, as increasing competition in the private insurance markets by providing lots of options.
And what would a health reform proposal be like without transparently false promises? Remember, “if you like your plan, you can keep it”? Trump thinks it’s a great idea, and not only can you keep your doctor, keep your plan, you “can have everything!”
Summing Up: Pelley didn’t push hard on any of Trump’s stream-of-conscious proposals, so we don’t know in what way his plan would differ from expansion of Medicaid and Obamacare or how he would avoid the “if you like it, you can keep it” trap. Does anyone think Trump even knows?
Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people.
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This could be a very good idea. Some hospitals have done this for years successfully, and some hospitals want to get into the insurance business to lower costs.
It sounds like Trump has been doing his homework. I’d like to hear him mention tort reform and allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines.
maybe trump doesn’t realize because he’s rich and never use it but the poor is already covered by medicare and mediaid
Health care was a lot less expensive before insurance companies got involved. Gubmint involvement in anything is disaster.
Essentially you just got the core of Trumps plan...
Opening up the Insurance market across the country versus stopping at State lines will change everything and the Government will NOT be in charge of “managing” care...
Big $$ in that alone, huge and competition drives down prices. Take the Pharma hooks nd insurance premium padding to ensure PROFITABILITY for the selected Insurance based providers.(INSANE WITH A CONTRACTOR ARRANGEMENT LIKE THIS)
Yes, it is that simple to start effective change, TORT reform is close behind
Trump KNOWS the games as he has had to navigate this crap to be successful. He has built something, they have not and it is clear to all...
The web is unraveling fast and too many loose threads to pull it together, I am really enjoying watching them unravel
Watch and See...
A system which provided no preventative care and which is the most expensive way of providing care, as well as taking resources away from those emergency cases that really need it. That's your solution?
What should happen and what does happen are two different things, are they not?
But as a physician then wouldn't you agree that a medical condition that is caught early is much more treatable, and usually much less expensively, than a condition caught later? So how would your private system of working with hospitals take care of that? And how would they do it less expensively than current programs?
Ah, the imaginary mind....
Trump has stated he will repeal OBamacare and replace it with competition, he’s said that a million times.. there is nothing new in this report.
The reality is this, and it is this today, Obamacare is a disaster, you could have the government buy private cadillac plans for every poor person forced into subsidized obamacare plans to day and still cost less thanks to the draconian costs and overhead Obamacare has created.
Until the actual details of the plan are written, this is a whole lot of nonsense attacks from the usual suspects. I have more faith that Trump will put together something that makes sense than the Democrats, and since the Republicans have done jack to undo Obamacare, because as much as the lip service it as bad, they want it as well... its garbage... Congress could defund Obamacare in an instant, they don’t and won’t so stop the nonsense that they will do anything.. they won’t. The oligarchy wants it, so its going to live on as long as the Oligarchy is picking the president.
Soviet-style communism makes the same promise, Don.
Trump let it slip in the first debate that he believes that socialized medicine works.
The poorest 40% are already covered by the Government either through Medicaid or Medicare. The point being that a changing of Obama care will bring those numbers more in line with reality. He is right 25% of all people can not pay for any insurance or medical coverage. If we eliminate the costs associated with illegal immigrants we would be in a better position to pay for our own poor.
As an employer of thousands, I would imagine Trump has more intimate knowledge if the health care system than anyone elected or appointed in the Federal Government. They, after all do not pay for their health care. We pay for it.
Trump not only pays for his but for thousands of employees in every state and in countries around the World.
RE: Trump let it slip in the first debate that he believes that socialized medicine works.
Yep, specifically he said that the Canadian and Scottish system works VERY WELL.
I've always said that Trump is Romney with a backbone, but it isn't a popular thing to say among Freepers.
Okay, he’s going to repeal Obamacare, but replace it with a system where “everybody’s got to be covered.”
The fact of the matter is that people were covered long before ObaMaoCare even if they didn't call it insurance. The winos, stoners, illegal aliens and other ObaMao constituencies just didn't get to waltz to the front of the line unless an urgent medical condition required it.
You know what I’ve seen from libs when you corner them on the huge premium/deductible increases?
“It would have been worse without the ACA”
Seriously.
Prepare to be flamed by the Trumpies.
This is unfair! When Obama did it, it’s bad! If Trump does the same thing, it’s good!
I agree with you there is a way to do it with the private system and the hospitals. Trump did not answer the way this spin is circulating the intention. When the “news” involves Trump, I start with the premise that the writer/publisher has an agenda to take him out.
Stuff like this is why we desperately, desperately, desperately need one of the actual conservatives (looking at you Ted Cruz) to stop playing pattycake around with the immigration issue and really step up unambiguously on that issue and take Trump’s thunder.
If one doesn’t, we’re gonna get Trump.
As some of us have been saying here for a long time, The Donald is a noncon.
I’ll just save everyone the trouble of reading the entire thread. Typical Trumpeter response:
“I don’t care that Trump is not conservative on every issue. All I care about is that he’s going to deport the illegals.”
He certainly has a different style, but they are both socialist lite. They are both personally nice men, both love America in their own way but both lack a deep fundamental appreciation on the limited role of government, especially at the national level.
Sadly, that may be all this country deserves at this point in time.
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