Posted on 10/03/2015 11:02:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
The Oregon sheriff who’s overseeing the investigation into the horrific Oregon college shooting once posted a Sandy Hook truther video to his Facebook page.
Yes, in case you you have been fortunate enough thus far to live your life unaware of the worst reactions to tragedy humanity has to offer, every time there’s a shooting like in Newtown there are lots of insane conspiracy theories.
Sandy Hook in particular spawned a lot of conspiracy theories, and it turns out that Douglas County, Oregon sheriff John Hanlin––the one who has appeared at multiple press conferences to update the public on details of the horrible Umpqua Community College shooting––posted this to his Facebook page two years ago:
(Excerpt) Read more at mediaite.com ...
It IS hard to believe Sandy Hook was a hoax. But - there are a LOT of odd things about it.
I watched a youtube video that used the investigative photos from the school that were released a couple of years ago. The school looked like it was just used for storage. One of the classrooms had all sorts of boxes and junk piled up against the outside wall. (Photo also shows a handgun on the carpet).
Other photos show tables and chairs mostly all nice and neat, with a few chairs tipped over hear and there. (But books still stacked on the tables). Doesn’t seem like a scene where 27 people were shot and killed.
Here is one image:
Here is a photo from the Charlie Hebdo shooting in France for comparison:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/08/248493B500000578-0-image-a-2_1420742804414.jpg
Uh. E Pluribus was trying to have an honest discussion about the fact there were no survivors who could talk about being shot after sandy hook.
WTH did you think he was saying?
And why aren’t you encouraging open creative thinking about all the hoaxes in our world today?
LOL. So whom do you think "they" are who created the Boston Marathon finish line incident?
And moreover, why do you think "they" went after the Marathon that day?
And also, why do you think "they" killed the cop or security cop on the campus after the Marathon?
Just trying to get your "theys" straight.
Because I don't consider the events in your town of the week or so after April 15 2013 as "every day occurrences".
I await your response.
LOL, again the Planned Parenthood hoax disproves everything you just tried to say about Newtown Connecticut people keeping a secret.
"wideminded" wrote: "You'd basically have to believe that everyone in Newtown, Connecticut belonged to this cult. Along with all their friends and family members. Along with all the teachers and and lots of law enforcement personnel and officials from adjacent towns, the state, the legal system, the FBI, etc.
How many people have kept the secret about selling dead baby parts — and how many people (including Karl Rove, btw) have kept this murderous, lying and greedy secret for decades?
And the Climate Change hoax also disproves every ridiculous and dated argument you just used against “Bellflower” for asking questions about Sandy Hook.
How many scientists and how many professors have been either paid off or brainwashed about Global Warming and the international moneymaking scam behind it called carbon credits? LOL.
Who are you to squelch questions about a possible hoax when Obama immediately stepped in after Sandy hook to take away 2nd Amendment rights?
You do understand Fast And Furious was a real conspiracy, not a conspiracy “theory”, right? And lots of government employees kept that secret, right?
I'm still waiting for you to cough up your “research” on why you think the million or so odd videos about crisis actors should not be considered in our age of hoaxes... where is the video that you referenced when you said that crisis actress “didn't have the same voice”?
Wideminded wrote: "In one of your examples there are two different women who look similar although there is nothing really distinctive about either of them. They have different voices."
LOL. (Nice try, though)
I’ve pointed out a few times that I am one level of separation from a first responder. The guy I know lives in the area, I’ve known him for more than 15 years now, and he’s a solid conservative individual. His nephew was a first responder at Sandy Hook, saw bodies and 5.56 brass all over the place.
That’s all I need to be in the same place as you on that one.
That is so great... can we ask you questions about it to maybe ask him? (And I’m pinging SamAdams76 because he didn’t answer if we could ask questions about Newtown)
Sure, a few, within reason.
“They” did not cause a compressor to throw a blade in a mechanical room at some half assed college, hurting no one, causing little damage, and lasting about ten minutes.
That is all I am saying.
It was every day stuff on an not so “every” day.
In this video you can hear both women's voices at about 2:40. The first woman has a noticeably lower voice and a different accent. They are not the same person.
This other video has the same two women and two others. It is easy to tell these are four different people. They all have similar hair styles. Big deal.
The people making these "crisis actor" videos probably don't believe their own videos.
That isnt what he said.....he said "there were no survivors"
WTH did you think he was saying?
"there were no survivors" implies that no one knows what happened on the scene and tries to bring into question the time line and events...there were survivors and eye witnesses.
And why aren’t you encouraging open creative thinking about all the hoaxes in our world today?
That isnt what you guys are doing......you have reached a foregone conclusion and are desperatly trying to get the rest of us to buy into your crap.
Many posts on this thread reek of this stupor, a stupor that blindly ascribes MSM groupthink as to suffice as positional truth until social media spins a better version.
But if we cannot freely think through the motivations and agendas of people who would do the things at the Marathon that day (for example) -- how it was planned — why it was planned — what effect it was supposed to have — who knew, who didn't know — how the crime was to be gotten away with — if we cannot think through issues like this — hoax or murderous rampage — then we deserve the evil that is surely coming our way.
Sorry I wasted time trying to engage you.
But I'll leave you with something to gnaw on: all human motivation is based on belief systems. Not specifically "religious" belief, but belief systems nonetheless. The quickest way to figure out the truth of a situation -- it actually is a way to see right through people's actions -- is to understand what they believe to be true about themselves and/or the world. Once you know this about someone or a situation, actions are predictable and can be deconstructed.
Or as Christ taught us, we are responsible to seek the truth because truth is knowable, obtainable and within reach of those who apply themselves to find it. The trick is, only those who "love the truth" bother.
(And His curse upon those who "have not received the love of the truth" is quite impressive, and brings my post full circle to our national lack of critical thinking in a most frightening way.)
For some reason, I thought your research was more recent, as with this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hGZM7heYKw (I haven’t listened to this and don’t know who “Pete Santelli” is, but he seems to have the same footage you researched a few years ago but has updated it.)
How does this video compare to your “voices don’t match” videos? (rather spurious, un-synched audio in your links btw.)
My foregone conclusion is there are people in this country who are so immoral, so spiritually corrupt they will lie, cheat, hoax and fake us out to get us to give up our guns, our healthcare, our sovereignty, our Judeo Christian heritage — our very lives — to achieve their goals.
So it is pure logic to reason that perhaps the people who have helped keep us blind about the Fed/Obamacare/Amnesty/Planned Parenthood/Climate Change have some nefarious spiritual agenda. I mean, these are the exact same stated goals of the confessed luciferians who founded the United Nations. (You know that, right?)
Is my view “desperate crap” — or reality? Do your homework and get back to me.
Great, does your first responder friend live in Newtown?
I am sorry I am in a stupor.
You cannot go onto a national forum and spout complete absurdities as fact and expect not to get called on it.
Your links were superficial at best— and five minutes of follow up would have lead you to pull them.
Your assumptions of where things are in the city were incorrect. Your assumptions of how the city was acting that day were based on newscasts and forum posts and not reality.
Finally, when you were challenged about your failure in critical thinking, you preach at me.
I am not sure where your groupthink comes in for my side. You are the one who sees conspiracies behind every bush—or in every mechanical room. You see smoke and assume fire. You see correlation and assume causation.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a fire in a mechanical room at an obscure location on a mediocre college campus on a school holiday is just that. If you knew the school, and knew the schedules, and knew how stuff worked in the city....if you knew anything about which you were writing you would understand you are going down a dry hole.
The truth is not always amazing. Most of the time, the truth is just boring.
My cousin is a CT State trooper. He was there within a hour.
Kids were slaughtered. For real.
This discussion is insane.
LOL, and let's just say that the strange pushback I have had on it -— even your post — why would you care so much about it? Why would you be shutting down my innocent inquiries into the possibility of it with such force? Who cares what I post here about it that much? That in itself is strange. But I left all hope of addressing the JFK library fire and evacuation behind several posts back.
No, I was referring to the lack of critical thinking involved with the Marathon situation or any of these other strange situations -- all with the potential to be staged by motivated individuals -- that allows our chief executive to go after our 2nd Amendment rights. Or, for that matter, any of these strange Uniparty two-steps whereby Obamacare is passed, Planned Parenthood and the selling of dead baby parts is tolerated, Amnesty is shoved down our throats, etc.
It is beyond reasonable to take people at their word — such as those who founded the UN — that there is some agenda that we idiots on the right are not seeing.
Or are you saying we have not been hoaxed by our government?
LOL again. Forget that God Almighty warns us of a time like this... when a one world government, one world economy, one world religion looms its totalitarian head.
(You are a Christian of some understanding, I assume?)
What I am sad about in your posts and others like it is that you are serving up decades old bromides that shuts down critical and creative thinking....
("I'm posting "absurdities as fact" -- my links are “superficial” — you mean Twichy? Or Huffpo? Or local Boston papers? What are you saying? Please tell me you are not saying “the internet is untrustworthy” or only “established news outlets can be trusted”...LOL. Please.)
This type of restrictive thinking, that negates how the truth is something that can be reasoned through by the common man — is a problem.
Because the fruit of it is our situation today. Our Founders said sovereignty of this nation rests in OUR hands; this is not just a right, it is our responsibility to reason this through. That is Jim Robinson's purpose in starting Free Republic.
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