Silly. Teachers should be responsible for teaching, not for defending students against an armed killer.
Although there is no guarantee anything will work 100% against a determined maniac, security guards, experienced and trained, is the best option. Also, screening students entering a school building would have stopped this killer.
Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? Guns in the hands of novices or those uninterested in obtaining the proper training could cause more harm than good.
“Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? Guns in the hands of novices or those uninterested in obtaining the proper training could cause more harm than good.”
This line of thinking has been proven false time and again.
Every local that has increased the number of CCW holders has seen a decrease in crime. “Proper training requirement” is nothing but another feel good barrier the left tries to throw at the Constitution.
“Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? “
So did you get that from the “Moms Demand Action” website? Allowing legally qualified CHL holders (over 21 years old) would likely not result in a dozen of armed people in the same room on your average college campus. Even if it did is dying in place with no chance to defend yourself somehow better?
-——Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? Guns in the hands of novices or those uninterested in obtaining the proper training could cause more harm than good.-——
It only takes one shot on target to put the perp down....you don’t need to be highly trained to do that...
The idea that a dozen students carrying in the same classroom would all be firing in different directions is not logical....
“screening students entering a school building would have stopped this killer.”
Or maybe he would have just shot the surprised guard first.
Something like this: http://youtu.be/rAzUi0YCOjc
“Even allowing students to carry, unless they are highly trained, might result in mayhem. Can you imagine a dozen or more students firing in different directions in the same room? Guns in the hands of novices or those uninterested in obtaining the proper training could cause more harm than good.”
I agree here. Police in big cities go through (VERY expensive) shoot/no-shoot training and expend who knows how many bullets practicing and they still make mistakes (as will any human in a life-or-death situation). It’s a room full of people. What if you miss? What if you actually get the perp and the bullet goes through them and hits someone else? Maybe someone else in the next room?
What’s needed here is a little bit of “panic training” for people. In our daily lives most of us face darned few life or death situations. It’s hard for me to believe that people just took it and got killed in that situation (one didn’t, ex-military - but he wasn’t enough).
I wonder what they do in Israel for civilian training.
Also, with the wars against the evil bastards in the middle east for decades, we have a lot of trained former military teachers, who are trained to handle weapons in a bad situations.
If all the screeners were armed (with real guns.)
Silly, you. We shouldn’t have these huge dehumanizing “group think” factories anyhow and allow strangers to brainwash our children with Billy Ayers/Zinn (Marxist) curricula-—we don’t need this antiquated system of mass indoctrination.
And ALL people should be able to defend themselves and others (like in Switzerland-—all should be issued guns and learn to use them-—
All children should have to learn how to safely handle guns and use them. It is a Real Life skill and in today’s world, it is necessary for survival and self-defense since we are allowing all these fatherless feral kids to roam free.
Do you honestly “think” that Lincoln wouldn’t have been able to handle someone trying to shoot him in the classroom???? Not that he went to one-—for more than a month in his lifetime-——But REALLY-——people are killing people because these children were raised outside the Natural Family and Virtue and God are eliminated from all curricula now.... as all behaviors and attitudes are learned and practiced (embedded). This boy was not parented-—or taught to be a virtuous functioning adult.
This “shooter” had no loving father and mother who gave a da*n about him-—and so they become haters (of self/God) and take it out on everyone else.
Virtue is learned-—and without Virtue, civil society collapses.
Who said anything about arming students? Trump did not suggest arming students.
Oh yeah, you did. Bad idea, Randita.
I really have to differ with you. People who chose to carry weapons or are required to carry weapons, don’t just go out and buy a weapon without a clue how to use it, and then just start shooting randomly when faced with a threat. There is just no point in carrying a weapon if you don’t know how to use it, and no one would. An armed society is a polite society.
Further why would a dozen students be firing in different directions instead of at the perpetrator? That is simply an emotionally driven non-argument.
Guns in the hand of novices already do more good than harm. You can read case after case, day after day, of someone relatively ignorant of proper firearms usage, effectively defend themselves or a loved one from assailants. Guns are a simple point and click interface, not something we need to give government any more control over. They certainly are some mystical frightening devices that we need to get hysterical over.
“Also, screening students entering a school building would have stopped this killer.”
Agreed on the security guards - having them armed, and more than one may have helped limit the damage. Maybe, depending on where they were at the time.
Screening wouldn’t have helped. The first shots were fired from the outside through a window - and killed the teacher first. I don’t know if he just went in through the door or the broken windows.
While their may be some collateral damage with armed students or teachers in the classroom - it probably still would have been less dead.
The other thinking is that knowing their are (or could be) armed people at the school would help prevent many of these nutcases from going there in the first place.
What type of "screening" are you thinking about?
You appear to be a non-gun owning soul.
And quite possibly opposed to just regular folks owning guns?
Is that right?
Give me a break!
In your world it is better to be defenseless than it is to be prepared.
It was not that long ago that that not only were guns welcomed in schools but encouraged. ROTC units had real rifles. Many high schools had rifle and pistol teams. Cars and trucks in the parking lot would have weapons. And while I do not know for sure, I suspect many teachers had weapons.
I don’t remember any mass killing back then.
A gun free zone only informs the criminal there is no down side to using their gun.
Wrong.
Teachers can be trained and be required to be trained to handle these situations with guns. My sister who is a teacher in Florida was trained in this way. Students can be trained and armed and help in these situations, too. Surviving a violent attack is everyone’s job. I hope you are armed and trained so you are not a victim someday. This school in Oregon even disarmed their one security guard!
Obama is bringing over two hundred thousand Muslims from the Syria region. If you are a woman and if you have read what has happened in Sweden and Germany, you are “silly” not to be prepared to defend yourself. He’s also bringing in UN forces to “police” our cities. They are well known for raping and abusing those they are protecting. The Left is playing for keeps. Don’t think you are playing tiddly winks.
Like Israel, EVERY responsible adult should be armed.
And trained.
In my state teachers have to know CPR. They take classes for this.
No different teaching them other ways to ‘save lives’.