Posted on 10/23/2015 8:07:47 AM PDT by Cecily
Which ones?
The weather Presenter on BBC forgot to take his Meds ,he’s freaking out
Or it may drop down to a Cat 3 or lower by the time it makes landfall. There is really no way to tell.
Only Algore can predict the future.
Sorry for the dumb first post. None of these reports show recorded wind speeds at 200 mpg.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/key/?n=wilma
https://coast.noaa.gov/hes/images/pdf/HURR_ALLEN80_MET_DATA.pdf
Uh....no. The winds were ESTIMATED at 190 mph....which was probably an over-estimation. The estimated surface winds were almost always over-estimated before the tools for better measurement came online (like SFMR). They did a simple calculation of the lowest pressure and gradient...which doesnt take other factors into account (such as the storm's ability to translate those winds down to the surface). When the re-analysis is done for Camille it is likely the winds will be brought down 20 mph or so.
Until that time, however, the max sfc winds were 190...not 200. But again...those are certainly too high and will be lowered by the re-analysis project being done by the NHC. What we do know is Camille has a surface pressure of 900 mb...Patricia is 20 mb lower than that. We also know Camille's pressure gradient wasn't as tight as Patricia's...which means Patricia's winds are higher. That's a scientific fact.
Also, we have only been measuring hurricane strength with any degree of accuracy for the past 100 years or so, so “of all time” doesn’t count the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 or any hurricanes before that.
Those were estimates - modern data is more reliable. One thing for certain, Patricia has significantly lower central pressure, and that is a leading indicator of storm strength.
And a bunch of million dollar properties.
Eastern Pacific, not Western.
Nope. Top sustained winds were 175mph. Still a monster.
Tongue or no tongue, it's an interesting distinction.
Typhoons are tropical cyclones that develop in the western region of the north Pacific ocean, between longitude 100 and 180.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon
Around the US, the same storm is called a hurricane.
But, it has different names around the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone#Hurricane_or_typhoon
| Tropical cyclone classifications | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Beaufort scale |
1-minute sustained winds | 10-minute sustained winds | NE Pacific & N Atlantic NHC/CPHC |
NW Pacific JTWC |
NW Pacific JMA |
N Indian Ocean IMD |
SW Indian Ocean MF |
Australia & S Pacific BOM/FMS[121] |
| 0–7 | <32 knots (37 mph; 59 km/h) | <28 knots (32 mph; 52 km/h) | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Depression | Zone of Disturbed Weather | Tropical Disturbance Tropical Depression Tropical Low |
| 7 | 33 knots (38 mph; 61 km/h) | 28–29 knots (32–33 mph; 52–54 km/h) | Deep Depression | Tropical Disturbance | ||||
| 8 | 34–37 knots (39–43 mph; 63–69 km/h) | 30–33 knots (35–38 mph; 56–61 km/h) | Tropical Storm | Tropical Storm | Tropical Depression | |||
| 9–10 | 38–54 knots (44–62 mph; 70–100 km/h) | 34–47 knots (39–54 mph; 63–87 km/h) | Tropical Storm | Cyclonic Storm | Moderate Tropical Storm | Category 1 tropical cyclone |
||
| 11 | 55–63 knots (63–72 mph; 102–117 km/h) | 48–55 knots (55–63 mph; 89–102 km/h) | Severe Tropical Storm | Severe Cyclonic Storm | Severe Tropical Storm | Category 2 tropical cyclone |
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| 12+ | 64–71 knots (74–82 mph; 119–131 km/h) | 56–63 knots (64–72 mph; 104–117 km/h) | Category 1 hurricane | Typhoon | ||||
| 72–82 knots (83–94 mph; 133–152 km/h) | 64–72 knots (74–83 mph; 119–133 km/h) | Typhoon | Very Severe Cyclonic Storm |
Tropical Cyclone | Category 3 severe tropical cyclone |
|||
| 83–95 knots (96–109 mph; 154–176 km/h) | 73–83 knots (84–96 mph; 135–154 km/h) | Category 2 hurricane | ||||||
| 96–97 knots (110–112 mph; 178–180 km/h) | 84–85 knots (97–98 mph; 156–157 km/h) | Category 3 major hurricane | ||||||
| 98–112 knots (113–129 mph; 181–207 km/h) | 86–98 knots (99–113 mph; 159–181 km/h) | Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storm |
Intense Tropical Cyclone | Category 4 severe tropical cyclone |
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| 113–122 knots (130–140 mph; 209–226 km/h) | 99–107 knots (114–123 mph; 183–198 km/h) | Category 4 major hurricane | ||||||
| 123–129 knots (142–148 mph; 228–239 km/h) | 108–113 knots (124–130 mph; 200–209 km/h) | Category 5 severe tropical cyclone |
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| 130–136 knots (150–157 mph; 241–252 km/h) | 114–119 knots (131–137 mph; 211–220 km/h) | Super Typhoon | Super Cyclonic Storm | Very Intense Tropical Cyclone | ||||
| >137 knots (158 mph; 254 km/h) | >120 knots (140 mph; 220 km/h) | Category 5 major hurricane | ||||||
I copied that HTML from the Wikipedia page -- so the links won't work.
Which is why they say strongest wind recorded, not strongest of all time.
Hurricane Camille that hit Louisiana is thought to have had winds in excess of 200mph. The measuring devices that would measure up to 200mph were destroyed by its winds.
“Want to bet Obama will want to bring thousands of Mexicans affected by this to the US instead of sending money and supplies so they can rebuild.”
This exact thing happened about 15 years ago when a hurricane hit Central America, causing flooding and landslides. Tens of thousands of disaster refugees, mostly from Honduras, came here and never left. They were here legally, so many of them went on to permanent residency and citizenship.
But they certainly try to imply that it is the strongest hurricane ever. It may be the strongest hurricane in the past 100 years, but that is a tiny sliver of time in the scheme of things.
I have no doubt that before the weekend is over multiple politicians and talking heads on TV will be claiming that this hurricane is clearly the result of man made Global Climate Change. Our only hope is more taxes and regulation!
Women and minorities will be hit hardest
...ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC, etc. calls for white hetero-male castration...Tea Party incarceration!
I want to correct a few things here in your post:
It's the strongest in the NHC AOR. The lowest pressure was Wilma at 882...this was 880....with a real possibility it was well into the 870s since recon left while it was still deepening.
All the Atlantic storms with winds of 200 are estimates and will likely be lowered when they are reviewed by the re-analy project.
Wilma had max winds of 185...but that was when she was in the NW Caribbean. The max winds seen in Fl were gusts to about 120 kts. There are ALWAYS winds of 180-200 mph in hurricanes...but they are related to tornadoes and not the storm gradient itself. With the pressure gradient of Wilma at the time of landfall, it would be impossible to produce straight-line winds of 200 mph.
Hurricane Allen's max winds were about 185-190....which is also probably too high given the lowest pressure (899) and the very broad pressure gradient.
Hurricane hunters do not rely on those calculations any longer. They rely on SFMR to get true sea surface winds. SFMR is an instrument that is like a cops's radar gun...except its measuring the sea foam and spray. It's pretty accurate.
Who is in charge of the Haliburton Hurricane Machine now?
No. That is you adding words that are not there. Strongest in our lifetime, since we have been recording hurricanes since before we were born. But they don't say or imply that nothing was ever stronger before.
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