Posted on 12/26/2015 6:17:37 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
It might have been a Merry Christmas for Donald Trump, but his Boxing Day sure doesn't look bad either. The GOP front-runner holds a 13 point lead over Ted Cruz - 33-20% in Arkansas. While this isn't too surprising, the fairly substantial lead that he has with about 10 weeks to go before the primary bodes well for his chances.
Donald Trump - 33%
Ted Cruz - 20%
Marco Rubio - 13%
Jeb Bush - 6%
Rand Paul - 6%
Ben Carson - 4%
Chris Christie - 3%
John Kasich - 3%
Carly Fiorina - <1%
Other - 8%
Undecided - 7%
(Excerpt) Read more at overtimepolitics.com ...
So this was a poll of about 300 people?
Donald Trump - 127 - 33%
Ted Cruz - 76 - 20%
Marco Rubio - 49 - 13%
Jeb Bush - 23 - 6%
Rand Paul - 22 - 6%
Ben Carson - 15 - 4%
Chris Christie - 10 - 3%
John Kasich - 10 - 3%
Carly Fiorina - 1 - <1%
Other - 30 - 8%
Undecided - 26 - 7%
Trump/Cruz at 53%
Ben Carson down in the jebster level abyss... Oh my!
Like it or not, given the consistency of polling what you see is statistically likely what you will get.
The point to celebrate is that between the two front runners they capture a 53% share of polling.
That is an astounding rebuke to the GOPe which is the first beast that needs to be taken out of this election.
I think we males are Cruzers, and the ladies are Cruzettes, as in Crepes Cruzette.
Jackie Vee -
What a blind tool.
Name the decision you claim is pro-abortion.
What’s that? You can’t?
Thought so. Do a some work, lazybones, before you spew your garbage.
I will gladly vote for Trump in the general if he wins the primaries, but I am a Cruz man, and the good news is that Cruz is now at 20%. The trend is your friend.
So do we dismiss Iowa because Cruz is leading in some and inside the MoE in others because your preferred candidate is not ahead? If I had a nickle for every Trump supporter who posted that the Des Moines Register poll was garbage because of the MoE or how they went about gathering or because Bloomberg was involved there is some conspiracy, I'd have a boatload of nickles.
I got jumped here because I stated my opinion - and it wasn't even against Trump the candidate. Again, I said I would support Trump if he got the nod.
First time on FR I've seen someone asked to leave a thread because of a difference in opinion. Very Yale like.
I am very happy to have the chips fall where they may.
Certainly I prefer Cruz but I would not stay home if Trump were the candidate.
Hillary supporters thought the same thing in late 2007.
We’ll see and it’ll be fun to watch it.
Where is Huckabe? Surely Huck is doing better than zero in his home state.
I wish I could buy that book!
It's kind of my political "Happy Place"...lol!
No, it happened a few weeks ago when JimRob responded to a post of mine "GO TRUMP GO!".
Take a look at Breaking/Front Page News on any given day and it is double posted with Blog Post "news" that Trump is speaking at a rally in EBF, Iowa every day... "Trump is Surging", the best was last week when some dipwad posted from a known make believe blog that the NRA is endorsing Trump.
I called BS... and the result? The result is that THIS reply is reviewed by a "moderator". I can't reply to FReemails. I can't even send Gefn links to pictures of my kitties.
There is only one conservative constitutional originalist in this race, and it ain't no real estate swindler turned Reality TV star.
But don't say that... you'll be shouted down then silenced by the FR Trump Brownshirts.
You said "at least give us the polls that mean something" implying that you think that the posted poll showing Trump ahead in Arkansas is without meaning and therefore worthless. If that's not what you meant, I apologize.
If you look, just about every poll is posted here sooner or later.
EVERY poll has meaning, but the meaning that individuals discern in any given poll is quite variable. I've seen it many many times during each election season.
Polls that show results that certain people like are proclaimed to be more accurate and meaningful by those same people, Polls whose results are disappointing to them are dismissed as flawed due to methodology, skewed samples, or using the "it's too early, and things can change" argument, as you did.
Trump supporters enjoy seeing polls that show Trump comfortably ahead, and Cruz supporters revel in polls that show Cruz "surging" and their willingness to accept or reject the results of any particular poll are driven by their own preferences.
Unfortunately, some people take the attitude that "I'm right, and anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot, or a covert supporter of another candidate, another faction, or even another party".
People on BOTH sides are guilty of this. They travel in gangs from thread to thread trying to beat down the opposing views. It's one thing to advocate, discuss, and even argue, but when the discussion degrades to the point of name calling and personal insults, that's a problem.
I think we can agree on that point!
I stressed that a poll for a primary 10 weeks out is nor meaningful. At least in my estimation given the parameters I have laid out.
This primary season has brought out two camps.......and yes it can get heated. We can indeed agree.
So ready for TRUMP TIME ALL THE TIME...
TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!
(Got my Trump Christmas Card) :)
Certainly. I’ll give you two examples from my posting history. (I want to mention, though, when I said “misrepresentations, misguided priorities, and insults,” I was thinking of three of the most common types of trolling threads I’ve seen about Trump, not necessarily posts that encompass all of these together.)
I attempted recently to have a discussion about polls with a big-time Trump hater (and I do mean hater), who insisted over the course of several pithy, inaccurate posts that Trump was dropping in the polls and that Cruz was taking votes away from Trump. I showed him how significantly Trump has gone up in the Real Clear Politics average since the Paris attacks. He accused me of cherrypicking this poll (along with the Fox News poll, as if that were a big outlier, LOL), so I had to explain to him that RCP was an average of several leading polls and not a poll itself. I explained how Trump has gone up in almost every poll in absolute percentage numbers including those Cruz is also improving in. I included lots of hard numbers and was hoping for a legitimate explanation of how anyone could claim the things this poster was saying.
All he could respond with was: “You’re just clinging to false hope that your liberal dictator will somehow pull it out even though 2/3 are remaining adamantly opposed to him.” (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3376673/posts?page=114#114) I hadn’t even defended Trump in my posts; I was trying hard to discuss specific polls and the poster refused to even look at the polls, yet somehow Trump is my “liberal dictator”? What a childishly absurd way of refusing to, at any point, examine the evidence. Needless to say, he did not provide the slightest hint of proof for the claim that 2/3 of Republicans would never support Trump.
Since this conversation, I have seen this same poster again claim that Trump was “declining,” once more with no accompanying evidence or analysis. (In the past day or so, this poster has also called Trump supporters “Trumpophants” a play on sycophants, referred to Trump as a “greedy billionaire,” and suggested that without his “grimy politics” Trump would be a “mail carrier in the Bronx.” He also calls posters he disagrees with “nitwits” and frequently calls posters Christianity into question as if he were God.)
For another example, here’s a thread about a Trump speech: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3369458/posts. One Cruz supporter repeatedly spammed the thread with totally off-topic posts about eminent domain (starting on post 26 and stopping at the end of the thread). We got the message with the first post on the topic; what is the point of spamming unless it’s to troll? Eventually this person also ended up suggesting Trump is an out-and-out socialist. Talk about over-the-top exaggeration (I also once had a pro-Cruz poster compare Trump to Hugo Chavez in response to me). Just a couple of examples out of hundreds, but thank you for letting me unload. ;)
Just to mention too I especially find it offensive when posters call Trump supporters “cultists” or add that word to the keywords for pro-Trump articles like in the live stream thread for Trump’s most recent speech (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3375323/posts). Here’s also the link to a poster who calls Trump supporters “cultists” very frequently: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:oklahoma/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change. This is just one example of many of insults used against Trump supporters.
I will also add that I’ve read a lot about and by Trump and seen numerous old and new interviews with him. Knowing a lot about Trump, I can say I’ve seen many misrepresentations about Trump posted by Cruz supporters. Sometimes they do bring up valid points about Trump, but sometimes they spread misinformation like the best of the presstitutes. These things are very much just the tip of the iceberg, but I’ve already gone on enough here, so I’ll stop. I would encourage you, though, to go to more Trump threads and replace the word “Trump” with “Cruz” in the anti-Trump attack posts and try to understand how a Trump supporter would feel reading these things about the candidate they like.
I agree that your examples are good ones that represent an inappropriate use of Free Republic bandwidth, and that these come from Cruz supporters is disappointing to me.
I think we can be critical without being abusive.
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