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Pentagon's women-in-combat push faces chilly headwinds
The Hill ^ | December 30, 2015 | Rebecca Kheel

Posted on 12/30/2015 9:52:39 AM PST by jazusamo

The Pentagon faces major challenges ahead in 2016 as it works to make good on a pledge to open all U.S. military combat jobs to women.

The toughest part of the integration, which President Obama and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter have made a priority in their final year in office, will be overcoming deep-seated opposition among many male special forces commandos.

"They feel what makes them special is being all male, and somehow integrating women is going to make them less special and less adept," said Megan MacKenzie, author of "Beyond the Band of Brothers: the US Military and the Myth that Women Can't Fight."

"A lot of that is based on emotion and a lack of experience working with women."

The four services are already taking steps to allow women to serve in all jobs. Service chiefs must submit their implementation plans to Carter by Jan. 1.

Carter made history this month when he announced that all combat jobs would be open to women, with no exceptions. The decision came despite a recommendation from the Marine Corp to keep some jobs closed.

Carter acknowledged the difficulty of implementing his order when he made his announcement.

"How we implement this is key," he said. "Simply declaring all career fields open is not successful integration. We must not only continue to implement change thoughtfully but also track and monitor our progress to ensure we're doing it right.

The response to Carter's announcement on Capitol Hill was mostly positive. Still, some who praised the decision added that implementation would be crucial and focused on the need to not lower standards to get women into the newly available roles.

After Carter's announcement, Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) -- the chairmen of the House and Senate Armed Services committees, respectively -- promised to use Congress's 30-day review period to thoroughly examine the studies Carter used to inform his decision.

As part of that review, Thornberry and Rep. Joe Heck (R-Nev.), chairman of the subcommittee on military personnel, sent a letter to Carter with 17 questions about his decision.

Among the questions is how the Pentagon plans to implement Carter's decision, how the services plan to maintain gender-neutral standards and whether the decision has any legal implications on women registering for the draft.

"Although the department has provided some documentation and briefed the committee, several questions remain," they wrote in the letter, which was also signed by 16 other committee Republicans. "The issue of women serving in all previously closed positions is complex and multi-faceted, and the department's decision must be carefully reviewed to evaluate its impact on military readiness."

Thornberry and Heck asked for a response by Jan. 3.

An aide for McCain said Tuesday the Senate committee's review is ongoing and that a hearing is planned for after the Senate returns from the holiday recess.

There are already indications that integration is going to be tough. A survey of special operation forces released after Carter's announcement found that opposition to opening special ops to women was "deep-seated and intensely felt."

In the survey, 85.6 percent of the 7,618 respondents said they were either strongly or somewhat opposed to opening their specialty to women. And 70.9 percent said they were strongly or somewhat opposed to opening their unit to women.

The survey, done by the RAND Corporation and commissioned by Special Operations Command, also included a series of 49 focus groups. RAND kept the participants anonymous in its report.

The focus group responses show concern about lower standards, unit morale, political motives and accusations of sexual assault, among other issues. The 292-page study includes statements of vehement opposition from across the military's branches.

"It's a slap in the face telling us that chicks can do our job," one Army Ranger said.

"It's not the physical aspect that bothers me. My issues are morale and retention. This wouldn't be special to anyone anymore."

One special operations Marine chocked the entire initiative up to Washington politics.

"This is a political thing. This is people in Congress. Because there is no grassroots movement of women saying we want to," he argued in the survey. "It's some congressmen trying to make equal rights for women. Whether anyone in this room wants to say it or not, that's what I think we all think."

But not all the responses were negative.

"I think we are selling ourselves short by not opening it up to the best individuals," a special operations Marine said. "There are some positives. In some countries, two gorilla, tattooed men would look suspicious. But me and [a woman] walking down the street holding hands would not. It opens up new possibilities."

MacKenzie, the author of a book on the role of women in the military, predicted that some of the hang-ups about adding women into special forces would fade away once women actually join. She cited the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, in which feared consequences didn't become reality, as evidence.

"Just working with women will help dispel some of those myths," she said. "They'll realize women can pull their weight; they'll realize unit cohesion doesn't fall apart and the world doesn't end when they have to have a woman in it."

Leadership will also need to set an example for those they command, MacKenzie added. In that regard, she said, Carter has already done a good job by making his announcement unequivocal.

"Just making it clear this is no longer an option," MacKenzie said of how leaders should act. "Making it clear this is no longer something the military is seeking feedback on, that this is a decision that's been made."


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KEYWORDS: ashtoncarter; combat; feminism; homosexualagenda; military; obama; raymabus; women
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To: goldstategop
Women are smaller and lighter than men and have less physical strength.
Women also have a lower bone density than men which will lead to more traumatic injuries - and they will occur at the worst time.
21 posted on 12/30/2015 10:13:39 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: All

The physical differences aside, men are instinctively “protective” of women...It has been this way forever...It is a born instinct...A combat warrior may have trouble keeping his focus where it should be because of the very presence of a woman...It is something that really can’t be helped.

That protective instinct can and will prevent a combat team from focusing ENTIRELY on their objective....


22 posted on 12/30/2015 10:16:19 AM PST by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: jazusamo; All

I’m an Army Vet and women do NOT belong in direct combat. I was in a supporting role for many years; moving bullets, beans and gasoline up to the front lines. That was MORE than enough, thank you!

It’s a different world today and our current enemies are sneaky, blood-thirsty, brainwashed savages. Nuke them from above and be done with it!


23 posted on 12/30/2015 10:16:26 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: grobdriver
The only place where I've ever seen a woman winning in hand to hand combat against men is . . . . in the movies . . . .


24 posted on 12/30/2015 10:17:19 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: max americana

Word.


25 posted on 12/30/2015 10:17:52 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: oh8eleven
Women are smaller and lighter than men and have less physical strength. Women also have a lower bone density than men which will lead to more traumatic injuries - and they will occur at the worst time.

That is true. Israel tried this in the late 40's and early 50's. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

Besides the knee and back injuries, there are the internal problems, such as prolapsed uterus' due to the extreme physical demands that combat might make, just to name one.

26 posted on 12/30/2015 10:19:31 AM PST by Parmy
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To: Gay State Conservative

The only way women make it into open combat is by lowering standards.

And few women can compete at a male standard of endurance. They get washed out of training.

Feminist dogma simply can’t compete with the fact women can’t do some jobs because they call for strength/endurance/fitness levels that are far above their pay grade.

Denying reality doesn’t change the point that some jobs aren’t open to women for sound reasons that have nothing to do with sex discrimination.

But try explaining the facts of life to the Left.


27 posted on 12/30/2015 10:19:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tumblindice
A 110 pound woman? OK. A lot of fit men weigh twice that can women pull their weight? Its a categorical question: can a 110 pound woman drag an unconscious 200 pound man by his ruck strap a few feet out of harms way? Put another away, can she sling him on her back and carry him a hundred yards? Yes or no.

People keep falling back onto the physical standards. That's the hard stuff.

How about we start with the easy stuff: all women in the military get high and tight haircuts.

Then I'll take all this equality BS seriously.

28 posted on 12/30/2015 10:20:27 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: PeteB570
And her explanation of why there are no females on the Army, Navy and Air Force service academy foot ball squads is .............

Sexism.

29 posted on 12/30/2015 10:20:42 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: jazusamo

Republican candidates can easily throw a lug wrench into this disaster by quietly pledging to “restore the military with a focus on mission accomplishment, and no longer to encourage, support, require, or demand further experimentation or social engineering with the lives of our service members.”

Behind the scenes this means to throw out the homosexuals, freaks, deviants, *and* those that supported and support them, to make all combat occupations male only, with strict limits in combat support roles.

It also likewise means to make a revision to the UCMJ about all issues concerning such people, making its purpose once again to be all about “the maintenance of good order and discipline in the military.”


30 posted on 12/30/2015 10:21:05 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thank you, my FRiend. I’d wager the vast majority of women in the military feel exactly as you, many years ago Mrs. jaz was a WAC and she feels the same.


31 posted on 12/30/2015 10:22:26 AM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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To: jazusamo

There is only one way to have women in combat. Make sure it’s an all female company. That might work out well. I believe women can be equally as lethal as men, I just don’t want 1000s of years of inherrited response to get our guys killed when a female gets taken out. Also could you imagine the psyops win when an all female company takes out a bunch of muzzy dirt bags?


32 posted on 12/30/2015 10:24:23 AM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: jazusamo
"They feel what makes them special is being all male,..."

Bull$#!t They feel what makes them special is being damn good at their jobs.

33 posted on 12/30/2015 10:24:50 AM PST by pfflier
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To: jazusamo
"...The toughest part of the integration, which President Obama and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter have made a priority in their final year in office, will be overcoming deep-seated opposition among many male special forces commandos..."

One would hope that among sane, rational, people the toughest part would be actually fielding a combat force that comes anywhere close to what the current/past forces were capable of in individual combat.

But these are not sane, rational people, and neither are their goals.

34 posted on 12/30/2015 10:24:54 AM PST by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It was claimed at the outset that the men and women were doing the *exact* same things and that both were being held to the same standards.
I remember seeing that and I don't believe the women were held to the same strength requirements (pull ups, sit ups, running, etc.).
Regardless, it was just sickening for me (as a former Marine) to watch the women try to act like men.
35 posted on 12/30/2015 10:26:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Parmy
due to the extreme physical demands that combat might make
No "might" about it - I've been there, it was incredibly demanding and unrelenting.
36 posted on 12/30/2015 10:29:57 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rlmorel
But these are not sane, rational people, and neither are their goals.

Well said! You nailed it and it comes from the current CinC and his handlers on down to his appointed lapdogs.

37 posted on 12/30/2015 10:35:07 AM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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To: oh8eleven

Neither the President nor the SecDefense has ever served a day in uniform.

They hate the military and want to transform it into another social service agency.

You have to be dumb, deaf and blind not to appreciate where they’re going.


38 posted on 12/30/2015 10:35:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jazusamo; flat; unkus; vette6387; mazda77; freekitty; HarleyLady27; ZULU; overbore; JLAGRAYFOX; ...

How about the Administration and Congress in combat? Regardless of age or gender, how about sending all of DC to Afganistan for a dose of reality as to their rules of engagement and what it takes to win when politicians play games while sitting in their cushy offices paid for by the American people??


39 posted on 12/30/2015 10:35:54 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: rlmorel

NOT sane??

Really?

The Female warriors will be rough and tough lesbians-

Trained in hand to hand combat by the likes of

Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner— psyops taught by Dennis rodman-

how to infiltrate rear areas by GENERAL! Robbie Bergdahl-

how can you say not sane-

LOL-SARC

This country is really being taken over by the leftists


40 posted on 12/30/2015 10:36:38 AM PST by mj1234
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