Posted on 01/12/2016 5:48:45 AM PST by Curmie
Birth of U.S. Citizens Abroad
A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.
According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.
The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.
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“She registered his birth with the U.S. consulate, Frazier said, and the future senator received a U.S. passport in 1986 ahead of a high school trip to England.”
Hussein may have lost his citizenship as part of living in Indonesia adopted by Lolo. Plus he may have been over 18 at Occidental College as a foreign student.
That’s not what it says, it distinguishes between them and only allows for fellow revolutionaries who were legally made citizens to escape the prohibition on just legal citizens becoming President.
The legal issue involved is not whether he is a citizen or an illegal alien, but rather whether he is a "natural born citizen" so as to qualify for the office of President. To that point, a good argument can be made that it requires US birth to two US citizen parents. The other side of the argument is that it means that you were a citizen at birth without having to be naturalized. The latter is the argument that has prevailed by way of precedence. For the Supreme Court to now say otherwise would be to invalidate the presidencies of Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover and Barack Obama who all lacked two US citizen parents. Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. He did not have to be naturalized. You may not like that interpretation of "natural born citizen" but that is what it has become. I don't agree that should be the interpretation either but I accept that is how it has been interpreted. That is the end of it. Accept it. Ted Cruz is qualified for the office and Trump is going to have to beat him on ideas and not by having him disqualified.
“Be honest, nothing Cruz produces will be sufficient for you.”
I’d be satisfied to see his Canadian birth certificate.
Why’s he hiding it?
If I'm asking you to repeat yourself I apologize but you're becoming FR's go to legal authority on this issue. I really want to know more about this.
So I’ll ask you to answer my question - why isn’t Cruz releasing his Canadian birth certificate?
It appears there is a selective release of documents. This will hurt him in the long run.
Show me the birth certificate.
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Actually June 21, 1788, the day New Hampshire ratified, but otherwise the correct interpretation.
Having had two usurpers, with the lamentable destruction wrought by the current occupier, many see no need to prevent a third. Thus by acquiescence to naked desire is opposition to the nation’s fidelity promulgated.
Respectfully, ....
Thank you—my feelings exactly—and yes, I’m newly registered—once upon a time I was registered before, back in the early Bush2 years, but a comment I made about WTC Building 7 got me banned—and revealing that, I guess I’ll be banished again—yes I know I’m a guest here—but without free and open discussion of issues and ideas this place becomes like the overly-touchy “students” who , at Missou last year, believed in “free speech for me, but not for thee”
That said, without TWO citizen parents, Cruz does not fit any longstanding definition of “natural born citizen” and will be challenged interminably by the Dems, and either be forced out of office or handcuffed—so why not present all the documents that are relevant, now, and prove his claim to be eligible—instead of hiding and forging things like the usurper Obama got away with?
I appreciate being granted this account and the opportunity to express my perspective.
If that is so, there is a document of record—all I ask is, “Show us” and prove that claim to be true.
How is that “Trolling”?
Is a “troll” anyone you disagree with?
If I may rephrase your question, just to make sure I'm answering the right thing. If somebody contends that a person born abroad to a US citizen parent is born a US citizen, I'd ask them to show me the authority for that, that isn't a statute.
I can point to authority that is not a statute, that creates US citizenship. That authority is the US constitution.
Some people say that the US operates by jus sanguinas (or more precisely, that it operated on that basis at the time of founding), citizenship follows the blood line, but that principle is not expressed in the constitution. Congress can pass laws that confer citizenship on blood line, but that is because congress can make any rule of naturalization that it wants to.
And if blood line transmittal is the rule, back in the late 1700's, the only blood that mattered (in a married couple, and Cruz's parents were married) is the blood of the father.
-- If I'm asking you to repeat yourself I apologize but you're becoming FR's go to legal authority on this issue. --
Heh. I don't mind repetition on request. I prefer to not do repetition as a "propaganda/persuade the masses" objective. I'm flattered you think I'm some sort of authority, but I urge you to check what I claim as my authorities (that they actually say what I claim they say, and aren't cherry-picked out of context in an intellectually dishonest way), and test my logic. In other words, make up your own mind. I make plenty of mistakes.
I emphatically do not want to be viewed as FR's authority on the subject. There are others here who have studied this much more thoroughly than I have. All I bring to the party is sharing how my brain processes the issue.
Ted did not need a CRBA. It is not a requirement. He did, however, get a US Passport, which proves the exact same thing.
My sister was born in Germany. She does not have a CRBA. But she has a passport. Since she was not naturalized - a process that takes place after birth - the passport proves she was born a US citizen.
Cruz Birther Concern Troll
9-11 Truther
Retread
“That said, without TWO citizen parents, Cruz does not fit any longstanding definition of “natural born citizen”...
The US Supreme Court ruled against your position very clearly in 1898. In doing so, it relied on rulings going back to the early 1800s. Sorry, but you have been wrong for a long time.
Or to paraphrase someone else, there's an awful lot of noise - I'm just looking for more signal.
Yeltsin in better days? 8-)
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