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Levin: I Know Exactly What He Means by “New York Values”
Conservative Review ^ | January 15th, 2016 | Phil Shiver

Posted on 01/15/2016 8:18:36 PM PST by Isara

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To: Jarhead9297

Same reason they tank conservatives every election. they want their liberal with a R attached to feel good about their sellout.


21 posted on 01/15/2016 8:37:03 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: doc1019

I understand. I have held my nose in the past to vote fpr horrible candidates like Romney. I never voted for McAMnesty but I did for bush. What worthless candidates.


22 posted on 01/15/2016 8:37:25 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: WENDLE

By backing Cruz so staunchly, Levin is losing credibility only to the extent that Cruz is losing credibility. Which has been quite a bit over the last few days...


23 posted on 01/15/2016 8:37:32 PM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: Jarhead9297

Hope and Change for Republicans. Rah rah shish boom bah!


24 posted on 01/15/2016 8:37:38 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Isara

CR Editors: Trump's Questionable Political History

It is hard not to feel protective over Donald Trump while the political classes are seething and scornful.

They are unacquainted with such powerlessness. Control was never supposed to stray this far from their grasp. And their rage, manifested in every hapless attack on Trump and his supporters, actually seems to be improving the likelihood of that outcome they fear most of all.

How tempting, under these circumstances, to rush to his defense, as so many in the conservative movement have already done. The Donald has boldly made himself a standard bearer of unpopular (…within the political bubble), yet critical policy positions concerning national security, from the urgency of immigration enforcement to the potential implications of refugee resettlement. 

He has played a pivotal role in dragging these and other issues from the shadows that the media might otherwise have not been so quick to shine a light on. He has made the case against birthright citizenship, spent countless campaign hours pledging to build a wall, and talked tough to the politically correct mafia at a time when its fascistic influence has left millions of citizens feeling voiceless.

Trump’s style and substance—brazen, unapologetic and quite popular—have upended equanimity on the left, leaving the “public intellectuals” screaming over one another to denounce his absurdity, the effrontery, the horror.

But the fact that the D.C. establishment is fighting Trump’s current rhetoric from the left obscures a more important discussion of whether Trump is truly the man they perceive him to be.  Whether he really is the mortal enemy of the political correctness leviathan and the ultimate outsider who is not sucked in by the elitist groupthink.  It also obscures some of Trump’s own attacks on conservatives… from the left

Here are some of the issues that are important to clarify before Trump is anointed as the presumptive nominee:

Immigration

The issue of immigration is likely the single biggest factor in propelling Trump to an enduring lead in this race.  And for good reason.  In many respects immigration is a compound issue that encompasses the most important challenges America faces in the coming years.  Yet, Republicans and D.C. conservatives have ignored these problems for years.  In comes Donald Trump who literally wrote “the Art of the Deal” and is cognizant of what his prospective consumers want to purchase.  He offers them the red meat.  But is this really who Trump is on immigration and is this what to expect from a President Trump or even presidential nominee Trump?

We are not talking about positions he has taken years ago before he became a Republican.  In 2013, conservatives were fighting for dear life to oppose open borders, while Trump was not only supporting the Dream Act, but echoing the liberal politically correct talking points behind it.  In August of 2013, he reportedly told a group of illegal aliens, “You have convinced me” of the need to pass the Dream Act.

This was not a one off.  Even after announcing his presidential bid, Trump continued to promote the false talking points about our responsibility to do something for the countries and families that violated our sovereignty:

We’re going to do something. I’ve been giving it so much thought, you know you have a — on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart.…I mean, a lot of people don’t understand that, but the DREAMers, it’s a tough situation, we’re going to do something, and one of the things we’re going to do is expedite — when somebody’s terrific, we want them back here, but they have to be legally.

At best, it sounds like talking out of both sides of one’s mouth; at worst, it’s an embrace of the reasoning used by President Obama and his advocates for the Dream Act and executive amnesty.

Again, not a one off.

During an interview with NBC in August 2013, around the same time he was promoting the “Dreamers,” Trump was asked which portions of the Senate [Gang of Eight bill] he would support. Trump demurred, "I actually think it's too early to say." 

This is nothing short of breathtaking ignorance given the Gang of Eight bill was one of the worst and most consequential pieces of legislation to come through the Senate in recent memory.  It was introduced in April of that year and voted on in June.  Trump’s comments were made months after conservatives, including some current writers for Conservative Review, had exposed numerous aspects of the bill.  It was long after every legitimate amendment was rejected.  How could there have been any ambiguity about the bill in August 2013?

Syrian Refugees

On September 8, 2015, Trump said the following about the Syrian refugees: “I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis of what’s happening, you have to.”  Just a day later he partially reversed course:

I think we should help, but I think we should be very careful because frankly, we have very big problems. We're not gonna have a country if we don't start getting smart.

Then he went on to promote a ban on Muslim immigration.  This proposal set off an imbroglio within the political world that completely washed away the fact that Trump’s first thoughts were to follow the groupthink.    

Conservatives need to know if Donald Trump is really the man who will put Americans first and demolish the “dummies” in Washington or if his lack of a coherent philosophy will lead him to reflexively parrot the very politically correct talking points he so vehemently assails and yet has so often adopted.  Is Trump who we think he is on immigration or is he pragmatically trying to tap into a frustration to win the primary with a plan to revert to his original talking points after winning?

Mitch McConnell

In one of the biggest ironies of this political cycle, Trump has long praised Mitch McConnell, the man who is the embodiment of why people are fed up with the party and attracted to Trump in the first place.  While conservatives were fighting to get rid of McConnell in the 2014 primaries, Trump said, "It would be a shame if he didn't win, because he has such power, it's so good for his state."

It comes as no surprise, then, that late last year Trump criticized Cruz for acting like a “maniac” when he called McConnell a liar.  How does Trump plan to fight political correctness and the culture of the D.C. establishment when he has championed the mastermind of the GOP establishment and is offended by the non-politically correct criticism of its leader? 

Judicial Tyranny   

The courts they are not only governed by political correctness, they enshrine political correctness into our Constitution and threaten our existence as a democratic republic based upon representative government.  Yet, Trump has often been ambivalent when discussing the courts.  Kim Davis being thrown in jail by a lawless federal court was a watershed event in American history for religious liberty.  It was also a defining moment for the candidates.  Trump said the following on September 8, while Davis was sitting in jail for being a Christian:

We had a ruling from the Supreme Court and we are a country of laws and you have to do what the Supreme Court ultimately, whether you like the decision or not, and it was a 5-4 decision, whether you like the decision or not, you have to go along with the Supreme Court. That’s the way it is.

A few months later, Trump attacked Scalia, saying he was being “very tough” on “that community” for poking legal holes in the arguments for affirmative action for black students.  What happened to the man who hates political correctness and the elites? 

Isn’t it fair to ask what sort of judges he would appoint?  He seems to strongly vouch for his sister’s ability as a judge on the Third Circuit Court of appeals, even though she is a radical leftist.  While we certainly don’t expect him to personally attack his sister, he certainly didn’t sound like he disagreed with her left-wing politics on abortion.  

Guns

After flooding the country with so many security problems, the next step towards transforming America into a politically correct European socialist utopia is to strip people of their guns.  Shouldn’t we expect our nominee to be able to litigate that case against Hillary Clinton?

Yet, there are still some open questions as to where Trump stands on the issue.  In his book, The America We Deserve, although Trump eschewed outright bans on guns, he echoed Hillary’s talking points about the need to support common sense restrictions. 

The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.

In a 1999 interview Trump was asked by Larry King whether he supported the NRA position against expanded background checks.  Here is what he had to say:

Yes, yes, no, I favor -- I favor you have to go through a process, but the fact is that the bad ones already have one, and they're not going to go through a process either; they're not going to go through any process. Look, there's nothing I like better than nobody has them, but that's not going to happen, Larry. So, as long as that's not going to happen, I say you have to be allowed to have a gun.

Does this sound like someone who understands the Constitution and can debate Hillary on the issue with full confidence?  Were these quotes just the old Donald Trump from 16 years ago or is that small voice of Manhattan cosmopolitan aversion to firearms still in the back of his head?  Conservatives have a right to know.

Obamacare

While boundless immigration is the tool through which Democrats want to transform our society, Obamacare is the ultimate tool to transform our economy.  Republicans lost an election in 2012 by nominating the one man in the world who thought of the Obamacare scheme before Obama did, thereby taking our best issue off the table during the general election.  Given Trump’s support for single-payer in the past and the fact that he still has not yet disavowed it, are Republicans prepared to nominate the one man who agrees with it during an election against the woman who originally promoted socialized medicine?

These are all important questions which any conservative on any level is entitled to have answered.  But with the liberal and conservative media focusing so much of their fire on Trump’s personality, or attacking him from the left on immigration, these are issues that will likely never be resolved. 

Fox News, along with a cohort of ratings-seeking bedfellows, has played on the strengths of the Trump anomaly and has arguably been the main cause for his meteoric rise in the polls. Trump has made his personality a central figure in this contest and the media has indulged him, belying the self-important pundit entreaties to focus on the issues and make them answer tough questions. Perhaps in seeking to spotlight his crassness and precipitate his downfall, the opinion kings have spared him any serious inquisition whatsoever.

Conservative voters are surely left between a rock and a hard place. There is a false choice being offered by talking heads and elected officials in both parties: Either we side with an indignant, if inconsistent, tycoon outsider, or we leave the serious issues in the hands of people who could care less about them and are sure to let us down. This dichotomy taps into the exasperation so many feel with the conservatives already empowered—those who think speeches are a fine enough remedy. You’ll get no argument from Conservative Review that this exasperation is not honest and justified. But is it enough to blind us to the unknowns of a candidate’s principles at a time when principle is what matters most?

Naturally, the movement is reluctant to oppose someone already opposed by the most destructive and self-interested forces in the business. And quite admittedly, the party elites who dislike Trump dislike him for the wrong reasons; but that should not stop conservatives from mistrusting him for the right ones.  

25 posted on 01/15/2016 8:38:08 PM PST by Isara
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To: Jarhead9297

Quick question, did Trump ever PRESENT HIMSELF to be conservative?

What He did present was an offer for a deal. Instead of negotiation he is getting catcalls. If the agenda he ends up with doesn’t represent as much of the right as some people would like, those people have only their attitude to blame for it.


26 posted on 01/15/2016 8:38:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jarhead9297

You’ve become delusional. What Donald Trump wants to do as POTUS is scaring the living-chit out of LIBERALS.

You are just panicked because your Boy Elroy is LOSING.

You may leave Free Republic if you dont like it, the WINNERS are not going ANYWHERE BUCKO


27 posted on 01/15/2016 8:39:10 PM PST by Gasshog (Newly discovered element Trumpamentium causes a Chain Reaction of Testicular Fortitude!!)
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To: Oklahoma

Jim has changed.


28 posted on 01/15/2016 8:39:39 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: ChuteTheMall
I’d rather defeat Hillary than lose with the purest conservative.

We keep losing with RINOs.

29 posted on 01/15/2016 8:43:03 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

We keep losing without God.

If people would profess God again (to anywhere near the full of His biblical promises) it would not make a lot of difference who the president was... the political tail would soon find that it could not wag the popular dog any more.


30 posted on 01/15/2016 8:45:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Isara; Impy; BillyBoy

HAHA!


31 posted on 01/15/2016 8:47:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (Donald Trump : 'It will be wonderful. It will be glorious., You will be amazed, Just wait"')
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To: FreeReign

Which is a potential risk with Cruz, IF the “Christian body politic” thinks it enough to just toss Cruz over the Washington DC transom, so to speak, and let him do their believing for them.

Nobody would make that mistake with Trump.


32 posted on 01/15/2016 8:48:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: TigersEye

Ahhh yes the hopey changey wagon


33 posted on 01/15/2016 8:48:21 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The Govenator is a primary example. He trashed the competition as Girly men and Republicans loved it.

The only problem was he didn’t have any core conservative principles and he blew with the wind. Well in California he blew left - big time.

Trump supporters have done what Obama supporters did. He’s nearly god like now and whatever he does is right and just - not matter what it is.

Trump will likely win the presidency and in a few years all his supporters will be wondering what happened. They happened.

Pretty depressing.


34 posted on 01/15/2016 8:49:27 PM PST by DB
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To: bigbob

Actually Connecticut if I remember correctly from Mark Levin today. So no, he didn’t come out of NYC.


35 posted on 01/15/2016 8:52:45 PM PST by gwgn02
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To: be-baw

Levin had a small audience of kooks. Now he has a smaller audience of kooks.


36 posted on 01/15/2016 8:53:08 PM PST by WENDLE (Trump is not bought . He is no puppet.)
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To: Gasshog

Delusional? The first true conservative since Reagan is before us and we have a hand bag full of so called conservatives riding Trump as if he were Paul Rever screaming the liberals are coming. No I believe it is you and Trump supporters who have blinders on. His 20 year history is proof enough for me. I don’t get starry eyed for celebrity and especially when the so called Republican is about as conservative as Hitlery is a truth teller.

Is much rather back a conservative that goes down losing than to ever in my life claim proudly I voted for a liberal.

As to leaving FR? Not likely. This is a home for conservatives not faux conservatives willing to place blinders on their eyes and get taken in by a used car salesman. Then again maybe Barnum had it right, a fool is born every minute


37 posted on 01/15/2016 8:54:05 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: DB

Having a secular president whose main regard for Christianity is that he’s fond of Christians, might sober up the Christian body politic a bit. He may carve out a space for them because he thinks they are part of his greatness concept, but he is not going to be their bible lion’s paw for them.

I wish this whole pissing match over New York never happened because it was an invitation to stereotyping that both sides are going to take exception over. In the end it will be seen as more of the same tiring posturing. Everybody has now found something to be negative about. And the beat goes on.


38 posted on 01/15/2016 8:54:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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39 posted on 01/15/2016 8:56:01 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: be-baw

Levin hasn’t been a staunch supporter, he’s actually been rather tepid in supporting anyone. Levin has never come out and cheerleaded for Cruz or anyone else. But, if I had to pick anyone, I’ve always thought Levin was leaning to Rubio, and he still calls Rubio a conservative which is a stretch. Again, your statement is false, Levin hasn’t endorsed, and IMO he should already...and it should be CRUZ.


40 posted on 01/15/2016 8:57:28 PM PST by gwgn02
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