Posted on 01/25/2016 9:35:02 AM PST by fishtank
Rapid Erosion Supports Creation Model
by Frank Sherwin, M.A. | Jan. 25, 2016
Recently in Dorset, England, bad weather washed a massive section of a cliff into the sea revealing scores of ammonite fossils.1,2 Creation scientists are interested in this cliff fall because substantial erosion was accomplished in literally seconds. It didn't take hundreds of thousands to millions of years of slow and gradual erosion.
The cliff fall at Dorset isn't the only recent example of rapid and significant erosion. Uniformitarian geologists claim the famous White Cliffs of Dover, composed of calcium carbonate, were formed in the Cretaceous Period between 65 and 140 million years ago. But there is evidence of significant fracturing every decade or so causing authorities to urge visitors to stay far away from the cliff edge lest they topple into the ocean when the rocks give way. In 2001, a huge chunk fell into the English Channel followed by another large section in 2012. Uniformitarian geologists estimate 0.39 inches of cliff erosion per year. But we're seeing a lot—far too much—catastrophic erosion of these cliffs over a short time. At this catastrophic erosion rate, the White Cliffs of Dover would disappear in much less than a million years.
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I agree. There are mysteries undiscovered that God has yet to reveal to us and to be honest many of them may reside right under our very noses and we’re just not capable of seeing them.
Yet.
OEC “could” work. The Hugh Ross version isn’t the only way it could be approached. It’s easy to let others do our thinking in such areas, harder to approach it ourselves.
Surely I am not the only one who has noticed (even though Ross apparently hasn’t) that these creation days seem to lack noons and afternoons. Their numbering also follows the activity attributed to them. Could it be that the work of the activity itself corresponds to a metaphorical transition from an evening (absence of light) to a morning (appearance of light)? Just to throw another monkey wrench into the discussion. This would make it easier to accept day-age theory.
We have a literally humongous mystery and God’s attitude towards man’s ability to embrace it seems to be encapsulated in His challenge to Job. Our response shouldn’t be even as much wrangling over theories, as awe! Then we might not get into so many Job-like difficulties. Just sayin’.
Wiki has a ton of info on the natural erosion process.
Some very interesting stuff, IMO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion_%28geology%29
Contents
1 Physical processes
1.1 Rainfall and surface runoff
1.2 Rivers and streams
1.3 Coastal erosion
1.4 Chemical erosion
1.5 Glaciers
1.6 Floods
1.7 Wind erosion
1.8 Mass movement
2 Factors affecting erosion rates
2.1 Climate
2.2 Vegetative cover
2.3 Topography
2.4 Tectonics
3 Erosion of Earth systems
3.1 Mountain ranges
3.2 Soils
4 See also
5 References
6 Further reading
7 External links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion_%28geology%29
Scripture plainly states God stretched out the heavens. Also, since everything is winding down, or 'wearing out like a garment', perhaps the speed of light could be changing? Finally, you must explain away the plain reading of the creation account, and the genealogies provided, which both plainly declare the earth is ~6000 years old.
So, according to your interpretation of current observations, either God lied to us in the Bible, or He lies to us with our observations of billions of light years. Perhaps it is a false dichotomy?
Relativity may yet be useful in resolving this.
Talk about reaching. Just wow.
You’re right to point out that more things could be variable than we think. God outdoes Scotty.
This might not be a manifest destiny into YEC though. As I just pointed out, the creation days don’t show any noons or afternoons. To just have an evening and a morning might be a broad hint of progressing from a state of absence to a state of presence, of what was being created in that period. It might not even mean it happened, literally, “as the world turned” once (and it raises the question of what PART of it too, because otherwise we might have to refer to a progression between different parts of the day).
I say let’t be like Job. Let’s fill up with the awe and let the theories take second place.
Yeah that’s a pretty good coverage of secular theory.
If it's not disprovable, then it is not "science," and has no business being treated as such. I'm fine if you want to believe this... it just has no argumentative value.
Secondly, there cannot be "physics divides" and life. The various physical and chemical processes that life depends on also depend on the physical laws we have now. Change them and present life is not possible. Even a miniscule change in the charge of the electron would make life impossible. Changing the speed of light changes the speed of every chemical reaction, every nerve impulse, every energy balance. There's no way to make it work. Life would have to have been different then, and a miraculous change to the new life at the time of the new physics. If you are going to invoke that kind of miracle, then why bother with consistency... just miracle the whole thing.
Everything in the Bible is 100 percent fact! Get used to it!
And you dont even need to be religious zealot to believe it. There was a world wide flood. Period! The consequences of that flood have major consequences in all geological modeling. Uniformatarianism goes completely out the window.
The layering of the earths mantle is relatively new in terms of geologic time. There was a complete reset (like the shaking of an etch a sketch) of the earths layering when this catastophe happended. Geologists come in two flavors:
Either they are either the kool-aide drinking believer in Uniformatarianism or they are the more rational common sense believer in Catastrophism. You are completely burying your head in the sand if you truly believe that grand canyon was formed over a million years by a little river. That little river is what is left over of a gigantic mass of water coming all at one time. But most kool-aide drinking geologists will try and convince of long cycles of little erosion’s over millions of years of time. Or a third category of geologist will tow the line to keep their job, but at the same time believe in the complete opposite!
Starlight and Time by Russell Humphreys.
Hi. Have you ever seen this book before? I don't believe God is a deceiver, and I don't think young earth creationists are deceivers, either. P.S. I know both Russell Humphreys and John Baumgardner, astrophysicist and geophysicist, respectively, the two were formerly at Sandia and Los Alamos, respectively.
1. No bird has ever overcome gravity. Sooner or later they all land.
2. “Perhaps the speed of light could be changing?” and it is not.
3. The Bible does not ‘plainly declare’ that the earth is 6,000 years old. This is something that fallible men calculate from the Bible. Fallible men for generations have also calculated the Last Days and, so far, every one of them has been wrong. Since men are batting .000 on the End Times it’s probably not too wise to think that men are going to bat 1.000 on the day the universe was created.
4. God did not lie to us when He revealed His wisdom. What fell short was the understanding of the people to whom that wisdom was revealed. The arrogance of every generation is to think that WE are the wisest generation EVER and that we can fully understand knowledge that may not be truly understood by men for maybe ten thousand more years.
While I’m still new to Christianity I’m not so new that I can’t see the hubris in the many people who admonish me “not to put God in a box” right before they tell me all the rules that God has to abide by in order to be worthy of their faith.
I’m content to let God be God. If He wants us to know how He created everything then in due time we’ll find out.
For now I am content to be still and know...
If the speed of light changed, life would not be possible. See my reply above.
Earthquakes?
The problem is, who ever mandated that “science” has to be that way? Secularists did, but that is begging the question of supernaturalism.
There can’t be physics divides and life? It is to laugh at the very assertion. You are going to need a cornucopia of miracle to get where you are under even any kind of evolutionary/abiogenesis theory.
You’ve brought us a good example of begging the question, but you probably learned that from someone else, you probably did not come up with that through original thought.
Please don’t make us laugh. You were taught this joke and probably never thought about it, to be fair.
Creationism? /snicker
Proof that liberals/progressives don’t, in fact, have a lock on stupid.
About the tag... more accurate to say the denial of original sin is the perpetuation of PRIDE, and that reaches into areas both “liberal” and conservative too.
Atheism is like fish that disbelieve in water.
Earthquakes can shake loose material from cliff sides, etc.
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