Posted on 02/03/2016 5:59:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
1.) Natural Born (from birth)
2.) Naturalized (having to go through a process to change from being non-citizens to citizens).
It makes perfect sense that we would not want someone with past allegiances to be our President. The founders were correct in putting this very logical restriction in place. By statute, by law and by historical tradition, Cruz has been a citizen from the moment he exited his mother. He did not breath any breaths when he was not a citizen. He falls into category 1. His citizenship was not attained through a process of changing from one thing to another but instead because of the circumstances of his birth (his citizen mother).
Are you arguing that there are actually 3 types of citizens? 1. Natural Born 2. Naturalized 3. Something in between????? That makes no sense and would have been a completely arbitrary thing for the founders to worry about enough to put in the Constitution.
They have a Dutch father and dual citizenship so therefore were not born as sole American citizens.
"sole" has nothing to do with it. There is no restriction on having other entities recognize you as a citizen. I grant citizenship of Nitzlandia (my sovereign 10 acre slice of heaven) to all Freepers. Does this mean you can't run for President now? The Constitution is only concerned with the relationship between the individual and the U.S. not the relationship between the individual and another entity.
I know several people with dual citizenship. Our State Department doesn’t care if you have citizenship with another country. It does caution people with dual citizenship to be careful about which passport they use to travel out of and back into the US.
Interesting way to phrase it.
In fact, he was trying to warn you about how all you posted fits together in a bigger picture that, for whatever reason, you and others act and seem oblivious to.
Unfortunately, he's not the one dreaming.
He is one of the few watchmen still awake.
He's trying to awaken the rest of US before the consequences get here.
“Sometimes you have to fight the battles you have, not the ones you wish you had.”
They tried that with the Constitution of the Soviet Union. You ought to read it sometime. It makes some interesting reading. How did it work out for the tens of millions of people they killed by unconstitutional means?
“I know several people with dual citizenship. Our State Department doesn’t care if you have citizenship with another country”
It did until the government officers were ordered to stop taking action against persons with foreign passports. It is just an earlier phase of the current efforts to nullify the U.S. borders as we see Obama doing right now wit his orders to stand aside as the illegals stream across the border.
Paragraphs are your friend. I can’t even get through this.
‘Our State Department doesn’t care if you have citizenship with another country’
“It did until the government officers were ordered to stop taking action against persons with foreign passports.”
State’s disinterest in dual citizenship long predates the Obama administration.
Neither can I. It was formatted correctly in the preview. It went into one paragraph , red, and blue online. I didn’t put any HTML in it.
“State’s disinterest in dual citizenship long predates the Obama administration.”
That’s correct. The Obama Administration is simply taking huge strides towards chaos. The use of immmigrants to shift demographics, votes, and elections goes all the way back to the conflict between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, and it was one of the reasons the Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, and 1802 were enacted and repealed by Congress. After 1802, the children of U.S. citizen parents born abroad were denied U.S. citizenship at birth and were required to immigrate and naturalize to acquire U.S. citizenship the same as other foreign born persons with foreign citizen parents.
“And you just sound like a jackass, since we’re throwing around insults.”
Evidently you are not literate enough to recognize the difference between an insult and the description of unreasoning behavior. See the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition for the word: stupid 3. marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless ....
Before you go off on a funk about that definition, take note of the fact you are arguing for us to accept an argument about the natural born citizen clause that makes no rational sense when you try to reconcile it with the historical usages of the laws depriving U.S. citizenship to persons similarly situated in the 18th, 19th, and 20th Centuries. To use an analogy, your argument is tantamount to the government being an automobile which you, Cruz, Obama, McCain, and others are trying to roll of a cliff to its destruction for purposes of gaining power. In other words, from our point of view, and I am certainly not alone in this, your behavior perfectly fits that of a person who has been engaging in “unreasoned thinking or acting” as described in the definition for “stupid” behavior with respect to subverting the Constitutional Rule of Law.
“They didn’t need Ted Cruz to shove the Kenyan down our throats and ignore the Constituion. They didn’t need Cruz to rule with executive orders that are unconstitutional. So the idea that this is some kind of crack that Cruz is causing, is plain BS.”
There you go again with the doubling down of the “unreasoned thinking” and denial of Cruz’s role in subverting the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Set aside the natural born citizen clause, and you can witness Cruz showing contempt for the rule of law when he lied in his memo and Tweets in the Iowa caucus with voter fraud against Carson. This literal conspiracy to get rid of and/or ignore the natural born citizen clause since at least 1880 when the British citizen, Chester Arthur unlawfully became Vice President and President without being a U.S. citizen. The Republican and Democrat parties are in collusion to avoid being held responsible for these election frauds.
It is astonishing and dismaying to witness the gloating and high fiving by many on this forum at the near complete and utter disregard for a key constitutional provision that was intended to protect the office of President from foreign influenced disloyalty and treason. The Congress and much of this nation, by ignoring the strictures of Article II, Section 1 clause 5, have undoubtedly given us the demagogic, tyrannical, treasonous and marxist usurper Obama. We are risking repeating his like again in the future, with possibly worse results.
I believe that the harm that a creature like Obama can do to the constitutional republic is infinitely greater than the good that an otherwise patriot like Cruz can do FOR it. It is time to enforce the rule of constitutional law, rather than the cult of personality.
This matter has already been decided in 1971 by SCOTUS in the Rogers vs Bellei case. Bellei was stripped of his US citizenship by failure to comply with the statutory requirements of his naturalization. Bellei’s birth circumstances were identical to Cruz’s. No natural born citizen could be deprived of his citizenship in such a manner.
If Cruz’s mother did not file a Counsular Report of Birth Abroad for her son, and none is on file, than he is not even a US citizen. The opposition is sure to begin digging into this matter.
I really like Ted Cruz. Intellectually and philosophically he is the best candidate since Reagan. I wish he was eligible. His dissembling on this matter is extremely disturbing though. He isn’t by any streatch of the imagination an Article II eligible POTUS.
“He did not become an American citizen until 2005.”
That should be the argument about eligibility.
Cruz’s father fought FOR and WITH Fidel Castro’s rebels and then fled to America after he was caught by the Batista government in 1957.
Ted’s father then loved America so much he lived here on and off for almost 50 years (1957 to 2005) before he bothered to become a citizen.
That’s who taught Ted his values.
Fidel wasn’t a dictator at the time. How could a kid have seen that coming when all he wanted was freedom. At the time castro was his only chance to get rid of the dictator they had at the moment.
Your intellectual dishonesty is showing.
“That’s who taught Ted his values.”
Yup, that damned preachers son. We need to get religion out of our lives. It does way too much damage. Probably should get more government in its place.
I reported the facts. How do you know what was in Cruz’s father’s mind 60 years ago? You are the one being irrational.
BTW, US military bases are not necessarily US soil. It depends on the Status of Forces Agreement with the host country.
I am presently reading a book titled “The Forgotten War America in Korea 1950-1953” by Clay Blair. On page 145, there appears a quotation from a Col Michaelis, newly appointed regimental commander of the 27th Infantry “Wolfhounds” regiment where he says, “We’d just had our first child-a daughter. The only thing I had time to do was rush to the American Consulate with my wife and get our daughter certified so she wouldn’t be a Japanese citizen.”
Absent that certification, Japaneses citizenship laws would have been applicable to these two serving in the armed forces of our nation’s natural born US citizen’s daughter. US bases are leased and NOT US soil as embassy’s are. They are still host country soil and their citizenship laws are in full effect if the SOFA do not modify them.
Maybe someday if we’re lucky, we can have the anchor baby of a Viet Cong run for president. We currently have the son of a pro-Castro rebel running.
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