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I think we're being miss-directed by the word, "conservative"
self | February, 10, 2016 | knarf

Posted on 02/10/2016 12:10:07 PM PST by knarf

Most Americans are not THAT demanding of a strict definition of conservatism


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KEYWORDS: conservatism; conservative; trump
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To: dynoman

You’ve promoted that post enough that I feel obligated to make a thread sourcing and expanding that post. :)


21 posted on 02/10/2016 12:27:11 PM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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To: Olog-hai

Trump will bring power back to conservatism.


22 posted on 02/10/2016 12:27:34 PM PST by Rennes Templar (I'm pro gun control: keep your guns under your control at all times.)
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To: Olog-hai

“If not, then the country is kaput. No “moral and religious people” in the majority as John Adams put it, no USA. “

So tell us, just how do you equate “morality and religiousness” directly with Conservatism and no other political bent? Certainly the Pope isn’t a Conservative, and neither are most rabbis. Are you saying that they are immoral? Just want you to clarify your statement. How about a moral athiest?


23 posted on 02/10/2016 12:28:34 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Olog-hai
Yes, and have you purveyed the Christian landscape in America ?

We are NOTHING like we were at our inception ... nor even as recently as the 1970's

The only thing that happens quickly is the ACH transaction from your account .... EVERYthing else takes time .... and we're out of it

sad ... but true.

24 posted on 02/10/2016 12:28:39 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Another excuse offered up by a TRUMP (PRAISE BE TO HIS NAME!) supporter for Trump’s obvious lack of grounding in conservative principle.

How so........ Unexpected!


25 posted on 02/10/2016 12:29:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: knarf

Agree, I believe a lot of us are tired of the political litmus test and the parroting: “He’s not a conservative!”
Especially now that we have jokers at National Review and other places, the RNC in particularly, saying like Humpty Dumpty: “When I use the word `conservative, it means exactly what I intend it to mean and nothing more.”
To them it means electing more conservative numb-nuts like McCain.
I don’t care what others call him if he does what he says he’ll do.

“Oh but he won’t TD! He’ll break your heart. He’s evil ... “
Only gypsies and those suffering from TDS have crystal balls:

Trump haters, with balls made of glass(es),
Their litmus test? One really of class(es) ...
..When their `nads crash together,
..They play `Stormy Weather’
And lightning shoots out of their a**(es).

Thank you, Thank you very much!
You’ve been a great crowd.


26 posted on 02/10/2016 12:30:41 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: knarf
Exactly. He is, by far, the most conservative candidate on the issues I care about the most. Illegal immigration and homeland security.

Build a wall. Keep the Muslims out.

27 posted on 02/10/2016 12:30:45 PM PST by TontoKowalski (Satisfied Customer #291)
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To: knarf
If he builds the wall and closes the immigration door to muslims

Of course, believing he will do any of this requires a tremendous leap of faith.

28 posted on 02/10/2016 12:31:16 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: knarf
Trump is very clearly a conservative, he just has a different focus than Ted Cruz on how to justify that leaning, and how to address the specific issues. If they can be persuaded to work together, each will benefit from the association; each will better understand the complementing motivations of their respective supporters.

Based on my many decades in the battle for the American tradition: Support For Trump & Cruz.

I am not suggesting that either abandon the campaign--not at all;--only that they stop the exchange of personal insults, and that their respective supporters do likewise.

29 posted on 02/10/2016 12:32:06 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: knarf

The only reason this country is in the mess it’s in, is because we’ve moved away from the constitution. Constitutional Conservatism is the only thing that will right the ship.


30 posted on 02/10/2016 12:32:37 PM PST by optiguy
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To: Reaper19
WHAT expedited return ?

I'm not convinced Trump is a big government guy .... why would an independent businessman who has been stymied by big government all his life, want to instill a big government in the nation he wants to make great again ?

We have no indication Supreme Court selections would be anything but pro American

Trump pledges to make netter deals, not more of them

31 posted on 02/10/2016 12:33:07 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf
(By the way, thank you for quoting me)

Plenty of people are claiming he is a conservative. And this is a conservative web site. Hillary Clinton is also not a conservative, but I don't see people around here supporting her.

And the problem is, if you look at Trump in his totality, you realize that his talk about immigration is nothing more than a way to attract attention. There is a statistically insignificant difference in the likelihood Trump "will build a wall," and Hillary will.

32 posted on 02/10/2016 12:34:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: ConservativeWarrior

40% of illegal fly in and overstay visas. Sure he will tighten the border but a giant 2000 mile wall is a con. One that the Trump fanboys have swallowed hook
...line...sinker


33 posted on 02/10/2016 12:34:42 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Hot Tabasco

assuming, of course ... YOU’RE a real conservative.


34 posted on 02/10/2016 12:34:54 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

You would be surprised how many conservatives are nowhere near what the “accepted” definition, that we are fed by National Review, says they are.

Many people that have channels on YouTube that have hundreds of thousands of subscribers are:

Not very religious/or are atheists
Strongly pro 2nd amendment
Extremely anti-feminist
Very libertarian
Vocal about their opposition of PC and “social justice” industry
Against entanglement in other nations.
Anti-socialist and pro capitalism.

They are gamers, love pop-culture, young, and span all different demographics

That Guy T:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLJkNhB1Eg_mXx0quUju0Og

Mister Metokur:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfYbb7nga6-icsFWWgS-kWw

Rocking MrE
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzOnXvfwc32YEiwTe_8Nf-g

People that were known as “South Park Conservatives”.

They just dont care for the more pious wing of conservatism that go to crap over hearing the word “pussy”, but think they have the ability to boss everyone else around. People that far too often can barely use a current tech, but think they know how to win because they listened to Rush for 25 years on the same AM radio. The people that think knowing the most bible verses is the defining value of a candidate.

They want a candidate to push back against the left and not be afraid. They want a cheerleader for this nation and not apologizing for its existence. A person that loves this nation in a way that many people didn’t think you had permission to anymore.

Whether some get it or not, that combo has massive legs.


35 posted on 02/10/2016 12:36:38 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: knarf
If folks want to pre-emptively complain about Trump

Wow! Shades of Obama and Pelosi. You want to "pass that law" to find out what's in it! You want to "elect that candidate" to find out what's in him. How did that work out for you on ACA? It's amazing that people who seemingly don't like Obama want another Obama-style coronation of an unvetted candidate.

36 posted on 02/10/2016 12:36:47 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: knarf

Conservatism defined in two words: Personal responsibility.


37 posted on 02/10/2016 12:37:42 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: tumblindice

BRAVO !!


38 posted on 02/10/2016 12:38:31 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf
If folks want to pre-emptively complain about Trump

I am amazed that you use the work, "pre-emptively." But some of us will pre-emptively complain about Trump, the same way we did about McCain and Romney, for the same reasons.

39 posted on 02/10/2016 12:38:42 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: knarf

Labels are a tool to distract from arguing issues on the merits.


40 posted on 02/10/2016 12:39:13 PM PST by Cboldt
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