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"I Guess It's Food Stamps": 400,000 Jeopardized As Giant State Pension Fund Plans 50% Benefit Cuts
Zero Hedge ^ | 02/19/2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 02/19/2016 7:27:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Dale Dorsey isn't happy.

After working 33 years, he's facing a 55% cut to his pension benefits, a blow which he says will "cripple" his family and imperil the livelihood of his two children, one of whom is in the fourth grade and one of whom is just entering high school.

Dorsey attended a town hall meeting in Kansas City on Tuesday where retirees turned out for a discussion on "massive" pension cuts proposed by the Central States Pension Fund, which covers 400,000 participants, and which will almost certainly go broke within the next decade.

"A controversial 2014 law allowed the pension to propose [deep] cuts, many of them by half or more, as a way to perhaps save the fund," The Kansas City Star wrote earlier this week adding that "two much smaller pensions also have sought similar relief under the law, and still more pensions are significantly underfunded."

"What's happening to us is a microcosm of what's going to happen to the rest of the pensions in the United States," said Jay Perry, a longtime Teamsters member.

Jay is probably correct.

Public sector pension funds are grossly underfunded in places like Chicago and Houston, while private sector funds are struggling to deal with rock bottom interest rates, which put pressure on expected returns and thus drive the present value of funds' liabilities higher.

Illinois' pension burden has brought the state to its knees financially speaking and in November, Springfield was forced to miss a $560 million payment to its retirement fund. In the private sector, GM said on Thursday that it will sell 20- and 30-year bonds in order to meet its pension obligations

"At the end of last year GM's U.S. hourly pension plan was underfunded by $10.4 billion," The New York Times writes. "About $61 billion of the obligations were funded for the plan's roughly 360,000 pensioners." Maybe it's time for tax payers to bail themselves out. 

Speaking of GM, Kenneth Feinberg - the man who oversaw the distribution of cash compensation to victims who were involved in accidents tied to faulty ignition switches - is now tasked with deciding whether the Central States Pension Fund's proposal to cut benefits passes legal muster. "Central States' proposal would allow the retirees to work and still collect their reduced benefits. But some are no longer able to work, and the idea didn't seem plausible to others," the Star goes on to note.

"You know anybody hiring a 73-year-old mechanic?" Rod Heelan asked Feinberg. "I'm available."

"I'll have to go find a job. I don't know. I'm 68," Gary Meyer of Concordia, Mo said. "It would probably be a minimum-wage job." 

To be sure, retirees' frustrations are justified. That said, the fund is simply running out of money. "We simply can't stay afloat if we continue to pay out $3.46 in pension benefits for every $1 paid in from contributing employers," a letter to retirees reads. 

The fund is projected to go broke by 2026. Without the proposed cuts, no benefits at all will be paid from that point forward

According to letters shared with The Star, cuts range from around 40% to 61%. "[The] average pension loss was more than $1,400 a month," the paper says.

As for what will become of those who depend upon their benefits to survive, the above quoted Gary Meyer summed it up best: "I guess food stamps. Hopefully not. It would be a last resort."

Don't worry Gary, you aren't alone...


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article60760061.html#storylink=c...



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; foodstamps; funny; humor; kansas; kansascity; karma; pensionfunds; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; zerohedge
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To: Beagle8U

Well the United Steelworkers are trying to organize adjunct college faculty, so you may be right about that.

A dues check is a dues check I suppose.


101 posted on 02/19/2016 9:02:01 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: yuleeyahoo

The ERISA ruling in 1988 changing pension vesting rights from 10 years to 5 years had a great deal to do with companies getting rid of pensions. I worked at a plant with 20,000 strong. I foresaw the massive layoffs about to happen after reading that. Ohio Liberal democrat Howard Metzenbaum had a lot to do with that, more liberal cause and effect, some said he was a member of the communist party.


102 posted on 02/19/2016 9:09:55 AM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I would have absolutely believed that about the nuns in my grade school.

I had a couple that could have taught the Teamsters a trick or two!

They could have saved those Army and CIA amateurs at Abu Ghraib prison a lot of heartache.


103 posted on 02/19/2016 9:47:46 AM PST by Iron Munro (WE MAY BE PARANOID BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T REALLY AFTER US)
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To: SeekAndFind

First job I had you had to belong to the union which was affiliated to the Teamsters. They put out a book that listed all their investments.

Central States Pension Fund > Casinos Casinos Casinos


104 posted on 02/19/2016 10:19:20 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: dfwgator

Me too. I didn’t want that pension in the first place. My private savings dwarf it anyway. But you’d better believe I took the payout.


105 posted on 02/19/2016 10:27:21 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: jimtorr
Wow!
You have a retiree group medical plan?
Some people have all the luck.
106 posted on 02/19/2016 10:33:04 AM PST by norton
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To: Captain Peter Blood

” Trump has a 9 year old son and he is 69 “

Hell, if your were 103 and had a good looking wife like he does you would have a youngster too...or a bunch of em’ ! LoL!


107 posted on 02/19/2016 10:33:33 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: SeekAndFind

A bit unusual having young children on a pension; having a second and third career until full social security age is reasonable as the norm; extreme examples make bad policy examples


108 posted on 02/19/2016 10:37:28 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I never said it doesn’t happen, it does but it is way outside the Bell curve... So I am curious of this guys age that is all.


109 posted on 02/19/2016 10:48:59 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SeekAndFind

Some bright people have made comments throughout history about this sort of thing:

“A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.”
— George Bernard Shaw (1944)

“The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.”
—Plutarch

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.”
— Winston Churchill

And I guess I’m not the first to wonder about the mental capacity of those who “govern” us:

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”
— Laurence J. Peter, The Peter Principle

I’ve really decided, from the evidence, that it’s the latter.


110 posted on 02/19/2016 11:05:22 AM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: IYAS9YAS
... I'm figuring by the time I can afford to retire, I'll be dead. If I time it right, they can just shuffle me from the retirement party into the soylent green machine.

Ah Ha, you've figured it out...

...time for you to leave grasshopper.

The Creature from Jekyll Island...the collection of taxes are only a means of controlling the serfs, the creation of the private central bank/Gov. partnership has made the need to collect taxes(from a financial standpoint)irrelevant.

Need money to provide for services(including massive fraud)?...just tax more(to deceive/control the suckers)...then create whatever "the master" wants/needs out of thin air(you see, it's only called counterfeiting if serfs do it).

The global 70 year plan to collapse everything in the private sector(to form a borg-like collective)is on "budget"(Monopoly money) and on schedule.

With a sufficient amount of yutes having been duped by hollywood/academia(free everything/no responsibility or individual thought/action required)...they simply won't know what hit them when the SHTF...and they'll go along with whatever the master tells them to do to survive

...those that do not conform will be treated by the captain from Cool Hand Luke, until such time they "get their mind right".

...what few dissenters left will become green crackers before their time.

It's called "EVIL"...it's what happens when good people do nothing.

111 posted on 02/19/2016 11:06:42 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Political Correctness is a kool-aid drinking suicide cult)
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To: hadit2here
Here's another favorite of mine from a more recent time...


112 posted on 02/19/2016 11:08:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: OftheOhio

Good old liberal Howard.
He was the guy who moved from Ohio to Florida right before he croaked to avoid the death tax.


113 posted on 02/19/2016 11:10:34 AM PST by nascarnation (RIP Scalia. Godspeed)
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To: pgkdan; MrEdd

“Politicians of the era gambled that they would be out of office before the consequences hit.

Unfortunately that’s how most politicians think...that’s why we’re 19 trillion dollars in debt. And it’s not all obama’s fault...as much as I’d like to blame him...but Congress has signed on to every penny of it.”

Well, their gamble worked, did it not? IF they are still around, it’s time for THEM to retire; if NOT, they still get a GREAT ‘retirement’ package, thanks to the taxpayers too.

Not too shabby for that which would get any non-govt entity tossed into jail (insider deals, conflict of interest, selling their position [only illegal if ‘caught]. Oh, don’t forget the kick-backs. Can’t forget the kick-backs!


114 posted on 02/19/2016 12:44:02 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Rusty0604

“Someone would have to be an idiot to buy those bonds.”

Perhaps someone like the manager of the pension fund or retirement plan that you or your family members are relying on.


115 posted on 02/19/2016 2:35:32 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek (No good deed will go unpunished by those who benefit from the evil it challenges.)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

So next time the gov’t cancels bankruptcy law the will only pay out the bondholders that are pension managers?

I was administrator for a defined benefit plan for years and I am very thankful I am not nor ever have been a part of those plans myself. I’ve got my own retirement plan.


116 posted on 02/19/2016 2:47:29 PM PST by Rusty0604 (oh the stories I could tell. but I really don't think scalia's death is suspiciou.)
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To: caver

“What kind of an idiot retires with kids still at home?

My son did,but not before he had a great new job.

.


117 posted on 02/19/2016 2:50:01 PM PST by Mears
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To: caver

Late second marriage?


118 posted on 02/19/2016 3:02:03 PM PST by tbw2
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To: editor-surveyor
LA has lower housing costs than other CA urban areas.

No... I mean I'm ready to move back to the Midwest where my family is.

119 posted on 02/19/2016 4:21:53 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Welfare: It's a Safety Net, Not a Hammock.)
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To: Rusty0604

Depends where you are and what grade level. The kids I have now are more suburban and high school. They’re mostly Latino. Nice enough but terribly spoiled and not very motivated. Their parents give them everything they want and many of them simply have no drive to do anything.


120 posted on 02/19/2016 4:23:27 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Welfare: It's a Safety Net, Not a Hammock.)
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