Posted on 02/19/2016 5:07:38 PM PST by rpierce
So, in essence, the FBI cannot fight crime because of Apple phones. Nonsense. This has nothing to do with the 3-4 month old San Bernardino case. The information on the phone is probably worthless by now.
What is probable, not just possible, is that once the software is written, it will be subpoenaed and disseminated to all law and other agencies. No longer will warrants be required because the FBI, et al, will simply order (under national security letters) phone companies to allow the software to be downloaded to all or designated phones whereas they can be hacked and monitored remotely.
But personally, it doesn’t affect me as I don’t use any of the “smart” phones, facebook or twitter.
TYVM
My gut feeling is the .gov simply wants access to every iPhone like they have with so many other phones.
That is the endgame in my opinion. My hunch is they are going down two paths to get there. Use the courts or public opinion to push for legislation by manipulating public opinion.
And the sheeple say....Baaaa!
BTW, I posted on a another thread San Bernadino County said yes, they did change the passcode but it was at the request of the FBI.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CountyWire/status/700887823482630144
“The County was working cooperatively with the FBI when it reset the iCloud password at the FBI’s request.”
A little detail left out of the DOJ’s footnote.
Well isn’t that interesting. Now one has to wonder if the “they were looking for information” statement is a lie as well.
Been saying it since the beginning, now it's been proven to be correct beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Yep
I think the Feds don’t want to know what’s on the phone, so they made a deal with Apple: “Hey, we’ll pretend to demand access, and you can score points with your customers by refusing to help us out. Everyone wins. We’ll make sure it’s all over the media.”
Thanks again for your replies.
I can see it being either way with Apple. Certainly, they *seem* to have delivered on their promise of a very secure system, secure from the government and perhaps secure even from themselves in its present form. Whether this is true and it is the situation that their only choice to comply with the government request is to give a master key... dunno.
>>>”There can be a fine line between being truthful and having an agenda.”
The same is true of government.
I hope the court is wise enough to see both and protect the constitution in the long run as well and not, in ignorance of the technology, sacrifice it for the needs of this case.
We have no idea what is on the phone. And I didn’t create a scenario to compare it to San Bernardino. I just wondered how far you thought it goes. In my potential nuclear scenario, what would you have Apple do?
This case however is not comparable in any way and most likely the motivation of the government is not at all in the interest of the people. Remember backdoor access to encrypted phones is something the government was after long before this event took place. Several things are likel being sought. First it's clear we have a central government that feels the need for surveillance of every aspect of it's citizenry and it's after a tool to further that agenda. Second I think the government is looking to desensitize the people to what in reality is totalitarian rule. Third they are looking set legal precedent.
Bottom line: No I don't trust the motivation of our government and even if I'm wrong we cannot allow them to set president of Soviet style totalitarianism.
Doesn’t affect me either. I don’t disagree with your scenario nor with your contention the info is likely useless now. However if your point was meant to address what i said about Apple giving crime a weapon to criminals i must have missed it.
You might want to start a new thread with this admission by the FBI, that they asked the San Bernardino IT to change the terrorists I Phone password.
So, if someone reset the passcode, wouldn’t he/she know the new passcode?
If not, then why not? Total carelessness or stupidity? This is the government, so that is clearly possible.
And if the passcode was reset and the new one was never recorded as a deliberate act of sabotage to make the information unrecoverable?
Hmmmm.
Yup absolutely. So, they have his phone, they took it upon themselves to change the passcode, have at it. The government and all their capability have the right to confiscate property, and to seize once the court order is done. That PERSONAL property is in the hands of the government.
What the government shouldn’t be able to do is to compel a third party or manufacturer into forcefully weakening or removing their built in safety. This is why Apple doesn’t want to be in the middle.
As to the silly notion that it’s for just one phone and it’s for the children... Just look at history. You really buying that? I suppose this time it will be different. Never mind once other countries start demanding the same access for their laws. This is why Apple is purposefully trying to make their products completely private and only the end users of the messages can view them. It’s exactly what I want personally. I want to minimize my risk of identity theft, I demand that from my products.
There is no such thing as a one time only digital break, that is just pure fantasy being pushed by people ignorant or those pushing an agenda.
Traditionally many things were permitted for the sake of war that were never permitted for the sake of domestic crime affairs.
We have a problem here but not what most people think, Bulb. It’s a problem of calling war, crime-fighting.
There are constitutional provisions for what is a war. We might not always like it, but that’s the best the Constitution has afforded.
As much as people want to toss around the notion of us being at war we are not. Or, perhaps we are now in a perpetual war where we never fight to win and this s the new normal.
The government can not have it both ways here. They refuse to actively fight the immigration problem, they refuse to communicate that Muslim immigration and visits are the leading cause of terrorism in the US, and they then want to say we are at war in order to ferret out the bad onions they take away our rights.
The truth is, if something on that phone is so important and it’s the “only” way to get the data... We have already lost. Our intelligence apparatus is nutured and ineffective.
I agree with the notion of fighting a war for the sake of winning a war. To destroy and kill your enemies. This government is just putting out fires.
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