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*LIVE SUPER-DUPER TUESDAY ELECTION THREAD (FL, OH, NC, IL, AND MO)*
self | 3/15/16 | tatown

Posted on 03/15/2016 5:58:25 AM PDT by tatown

FL - Polls Close at 8:00pm Eastern NC - Polls Close at 7:30pm Eastern IL - Polls Close at 8:00pm Eastern MO - Polls Close at 8:00pm Eastern OH - Polls Close at 8:30pm Eastern


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Illinois; US: Missouri; US: North Carolina; US: Ohio
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To: Uncle Miltie

Did I ever claim Trump to be a paragon of conservatism? Hell, has Trump ever claimed to be a paragon of conservatism?

But even Trump calls a spade a spade when it comes to leftist agitators, not make repeated public statements that defy completely their claim of being a principled conservative just in hopes it can peel votes away from his opponent.

Cruz is a fraud. No person with 2 neurons firing doesn’t know what Chicago was... trying to blame Trump for it? Cruz might as well be Hillary’s running mate with such ludicrous claims.


321 posted on 03/15/2016 12:51:24 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: tatown

Me too. I have kind of dodged this issue in “Patriot’s History” but the fact is-—hard to refute except to say “different time”-—is that under Washington through Taft we had tariffs. The nation grew like wildfire.

I have reviewed the scholarly/academic studies and there is no indication that tariffs in any way hurt early American industry up to the Civil War and a lot of evidence that they helped. Further, the only true “free trade” anyone can point to is that which is achieved at the end of a gun-—Britain in the 1800s, America in the mid-20th century. Yeah, free trade works . . . if you enforce it. If not, it’s NOT free trade.


322 posted on 03/15/2016 12:52:53 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Mom MD

323 posted on 03/15/2016 12:53:09 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: tatown

“Truly free trade would benefit the US greatly.”

Yup.

And countries that erect trade barriers mainly (but not exclusively) harm their own people. They protect industries that need not improve, and foist higher non-competitive prices on their people. The winners are the few, the protected, the politically capable. Everyone else loses.

So what’s annoying is the folks here at FR who think trade barriers are going to generally help. They are going to generally hurt widely in a way that is hard to spot. But they will help a few for a little while in a political spoils system.

How that’s different than welfare for the left’s chosen poor people eludes me.


324 posted on 03/15/2016 12:53:58 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Conservatives are to the Republican party what blacks are to the Democrat Party" - Awgie)
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To: NYRepublican72

your charts are great. Thanks


325 posted on 03/15/2016 12:54:10 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: mabelkitty

NE Ohio voter here. Voted at 11


326 posted on 03/15/2016 12:55:09 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: onona

Absolutely that would help, but the lowest taxes in the world cannot put American products, say, on Japanese shelves. If the Japanese don’t let them in, you simply can’t sell products. No products, no factories, no one to invent machinery that goes into the factories.

The classic free trade comeback is, “Well, those people are worse off because of higher taxes.” For a while, maybe. But what happens when their income levels as a % of total wealth surpass the tax levels? Then you have a rising middle class. Meanwhile we have a hollowed out middle class.


327 posted on 03/15/2016 12:55:19 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: No Dems 2016
Wouldn't that suggest Trump support?

After the shat that went down in Chicago on Friday night, I'd hope so!

Note: I live in the far S.W. suburbs of Chicago and commute to the city every day for work. Trust me, what happened on Friday pissed a lot of people off out here. Many out this way HATE Chicago and have been pissed for a very long time that the city dominates all politics in this state. Who knows, maybe this time will be different.

328 posted on 03/15/2016 12:55:26 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: HamiltonJay

See post #217.

I agree with Cruz that Trump “should bear some of the responsibility”.


329 posted on 03/15/2016 12:56:17 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s not a trade barrier. China, Japan, Mexico have tariffs that are trade barriers because they keep us out. If China doesn’t want to lose a dime and charges us more we can shop with the competition. We don’t have to do it their way or the highway.


330 posted on 03/15/2016 12:57:04 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: All

Florida: Trump
Illinois: Cruz
Missouri: Cruz
North Carolina: Trump
Ohio: Kasich


331 posted on 03/15/2016 12:57:44 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: DoughtyOne

cool graphic


332 posted on 03/15/2016 12:57:55 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: jimbo123

That agrees with my tally.


333 posted on 03/15/2016 12:58:49 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Uncle Miltie

We are facing tariffs and taxes across the globe. Imbalanced access to the global marketplace does nothing to help Americans in the long run. We buy from marketplaces in which we cannot sell.

Add to that factor currency manipulation, and you have a recipe for a nation enslaved financially to external interests.


334 posted on 03/15/2016 12:58:54 PM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: traderrob6

Then by all means, vote for Cruz.... If you think when paid agitators show up and disrupt a person that that person is the reason, not the individuals who show up with the stated intent to disrupt, then you believe there is no personal responsibility and might as well Petition Cruz to be Hillary’s VP.


335 posted on 03/15/2016 12:59:43 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: traderrob6

Cruz +4 in Missouri
Cruz +2 in Illinois


336 posted on 03/15/2016 1:00:32 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Uncle Miltie

Where I agree with Trump is that he is actually addressing it. Anyone that pays attention to the macro-economy knows that there are major problems that have resulted in an enormous loss of our industrial manufacturing base (regulations, tax, unbalanced trade deals, currency devaluation, etc) but the establishment of neither party has articulated a coherent plan to deal with it. The middle class has been crushed and Trump, with all his warts, recognizes it and has become a voice for the silent majority. If you aren’t ‘poor’, a minority, or wealthy, the government has been against you for a long time. I would never advocate the government instituting more welfare for the middle class but instead just stop it’s assault on them.


337 posted on 03/15/2016 1:01:01 PM PDT by tatown (Cruznoccio - A Washington DC Production)
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To: W.

when I lived in Fremont Oh we had the same thing with hoards on the banks of the river


338 posted on 03/15/2016 1:01:07 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: tatown

Thank you!


339 posted on 03/15/2016 1:01:38 PM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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To: tatown
Jenna Johnson Retweeted --- Gideon Resnick ‏@GideonResnick 1h1 hour ago --- A member of Ted Cruz's Illinois leadership team just told me that Trump is going to win here... Ha! :-)
340 posted on 03/15/2016 1:02:22 PM PDT by M1911 Colt .45 ACP (John Moses Browning ~ TRUE American Hero! ~ TRUMP 2016!!!)
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