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To: Defiant

This is the kind of circular reasoning that causes non-trump fans to shake their heads in wonder.

Cruz is establishment because the establishment is helping him! See, he’s owned by them know!

If trump doesn’t get the nomination they aren’t going to give it to Cruz because he’s an outsider so you really should vote for trump.

I’ll give you fan boys credit though - you have a lot of energy and imagination. If you didn’t the logic fails would make your brains twist into really tight knots.


60 posted on 03/22/2016 12:56:33 PM PDT by 94Revolution (Get it right this time)
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To: 94Revolution

The establishment won’t give it to Cruz because they know he’s a fraud.


103 posted on 03/22/2016 1:28:29 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: 94Revolution
Cruz is establishment because the establishment is helping him!

If trump doesn’t get the nomination they aren’t going to give it to Cruz because he’s an outsider

You don't have it right.

First off, he can't get a majority. Will you concede that? Or are you really going to argue that he is going to get 84 percent of the remaining delegates.

Second, if he knows he can't win on the first ballot, and he stays in the race, why? Well, there can only be two reasons. 1)To win after the first ballot; or 2) To help the GOPe deny the nomination to Trump to give it to someone they favor.

Where you and some of your cultists go off the rails is apparently in the belief that Cruz can win an open convention. He can't. Once Trump is denied the nomination, the GOPe is never, ever going to give it to Cruz. Yes, he is the guy the establishment is pushing right now. Yes, they are giving him money and people and endorsements. But it is not because they like him. It is because they need to stop Trump, the front runner. If Cruz were leading with the delegates that Trump has, I do not doubt that the establishment would try to get people to vote for Trump to derail Cruz.

But Trump wouldn't be stupid enough to play along. He would say, I can't win, I'm not going to waste my money, and I'm not going to work to elect Ryan or Kasich.

Cruz, on the other hand, either is deluded enough to think they will give it to him, or he wants to at least get VP, or something like that.

Regardless, any scenario that denies the nomination to Trump, who is clearly going to get very near the majority if he doesn't get there, absolutely ensures that there will be a very angry and large bloc of voters who will not support the nominee in the general election. Whoever the Dems nominate will win in a landslide.

And so, Cruz and his supporters are currently working for the election of Hillary. Good job!

I used small words, so hopefully you can understand why you are working for Hillary right at this very minute.

112 posted on 03/22/2016 1:52:50 PM PDT by Defiant (After 8 years of Chump Change, it's time for Trump Change!!)
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To: 94Revolution
Cruz is establishment because the establishment is helping him!

If trump doesn’t get the nomination they aren’t going to give it to Cruz because he’s an outsider

You don't have it right.

First off, he can't get a majority. Will you concede that? Or are you really going to argue that he is going to get 84 percent of the remaining delegates.

Second, if he knows he can't win on the first ballot, and he stays in the race, why? Well, there can only be two reasons. 1)To win after the first ballot; or 2) To help the GOPe deny the nomination to Trump to give it to someone they favor.

Where you and some of your cultists go off the rails is apparently in the belief that Cruz can win an open convention. He can't. Once Trump is denied the nomination, the GOPe is never, ever going to give it to Cruz. Yes, he is the guy the establishment is pushing right now. Yes, they are giving him money and people and endorsements. But it is not because they like him. It is because they need to stop Trump, the front runner. If Cruz were leading with the delegates that Trump has, I do not doubt that the establishment would try to get people to vote for Trump to derail Cruz.

But Trump wouldn't be stupid enough to play along. He would say, I can't win, I'm not going to waste my money, and I'm not going to work to elect Ryan or Kasich.

Cruz, on the other hand, either is deluded enough to think they will give it to him, or he wants to at least get VP, or something like that.

Regardless, any scenario that denies the nomination to Trump, who is clearly going to get very near the majority if he doesn't get there, absolutely ensures that there will be a very angry and large bloc of voters who will not support the nominee in the general election. Whoever the Dems nominate will win in a landslide.

And so, Cruz and his supporters are currently working for the election of Hillary. Good job!

I used small words, so hopefully you can understand why you are working for Hillary right at this very minute.

113 posted on 03/22/2016 1:54:32 PM PDT by Defiant (After 8 years of Chump Change, it's time for Trump Change!!)
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To: 94Revolution
Cruz is establishment because the establishment is helping him! See, he’s owned by them know!

Ted Cruz is Establishment because of the friggin' behavior he's engaged in in the last several weeks, if nothing else.

And the bottom line is, no matter what happens in Utah, Ted Cruz loses more ground to Donald Trump tonight...

195 posted on 03/22/2016 9:54:14 PM PDT by sargon
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