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Apple remains in dark on how FBI hacked iPhone without help
townhall.com ^ | 3/30/2016 | Tami Abdollah

Posted on 03/30/2016 5:56:43 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman

I wonder if Apple will now sue the FBI.


21 posted on 03/30/2016 6:36:35 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: CodeToad
Apple lied and is now feigning surprise and ignorance.

Perhaps.

I am of the opinion that the FBI lied.

They had total access all along to every single morsel of data through illegal means.

They needed Apple to provide a plausible cover story for a legal way they acquired that data.

Apple refused to play along.

Now there is said to be this unknown hacker or hackers who allegedly managed to crack this hyper-secure algorithm in a matter of weeks and the data can be freely used by the FBI...

Did Apple lie or did the government lie? With no other information, the default is the one with the proven and consistent track record of lying to the American public is the one much more likely to lie in this case.

22 posted on 03/30/2016 6:41:29 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: rktman
Probably these guys


23 posted on 03/30/2016 6:44:58 AM PDT by xp38
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24 posted on 03/30/2016 6:45:13 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: null and void

Or, this is a psych ops against the muzzies, and/or it has all been a red herring for something else that is going on.


25 posted on 03/30/2016 6:46:46 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Restore Liberty!)
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To: refermech

Just like my luggage!


26 posted on 03/30/2016 6:53:25 AM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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To: FreeAtlanta

The whole thing seems like kabuki theatre. I wonder why any of this became public.

Freegards


27 posted on 03/30/2016 6:57:59 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: rktman
They possibly figured out how to create a virtual iPhone, and cracked the phone with a brute force approach.

IIRC this was not the newest iPhone. It probably was using the basic 4 number password, giving only 10,000 unique passwords. Even if the phone was set to clear itself after 10 failed passwords, they'd only have to create 1,000 virtual phones, a process which could be automated.

Even a 6 number password would be only a million variations and could be solved by brute force methods. A longer alphanumeric password would be problematic.

28 posted on 03/30/2016 7:03:06 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: IYAS9YAS

Classic Mel Brooks. Enjoyed watching this movie with my kids.


29 posted on 03/30/2016 7:10:52 AM PDT by refermech
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To: rktman

I always considered this a CHESS GAME to get Apple out in the open on their stance. I think they had the phone open the day it came into the FBI’s hands.


30 posted on 03/30/2016 7:11:21 AM PDT by conservativesister (Elio Motors coming 2016 WooHoo!!!)
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To: mykroar

Yup, you got it too!


31 posted on 03/30/2016 7:11:42 AM PDT by refermech
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To: null and void

I agree. Maybe the government found the password to the phone that the FBI had instructed the county to change and/or figured they’d lose in court so they made up the story that they got into it so they wouldn’t look any more ridiculous than they already do. And just to stick it to Apple, leave them to figure it out.


32 posted on 03/30/2016 7:15:09 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Ransomed
I wonder why any of this became public.

The FBI made it public with the warrant.

Normally a warrant is to provide the court with something a person actually has.

THIS warrant is special, it required Apple to produce something that didn't exist, to go through great expense to devise and create something that would damage itself.

The kindest technical term for this is indentured servitude, but indentured servants customarily get a stipend while working off their indenture.

This is more like slavery, being forced at the sting of a government lash to design and build a slave ship for the FBI.

Unlike IBM to Hitler's Germany, Apple said no. Would history be better if IBM declined to build the means of tracking every Jew, Gypsy, communist, mental defective, and homosexual in Germany?

What do you think?

33 posted on 03/30/2016 7:15:53 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: null and void

If they could actually could really get into the phone, why let anyone know they really could or couldn’t get into the phone? I mean, they didn’t know there was this private company that supposedly just did it for them back then? How does it make sense from a law enforcement or anti-terror intelligence standpoint?

From what I understand of it, I like that Apple stood up to them. I’m just not sure any of it makes sense.

Freegrds


34 posted on 03/30/2016 7:29:56 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed
Because they were ILLEGALY obtaining the data.

Just presenting the data in open court would be an admission of guilt.

They needed a fig-leaf, a plausible legal means of "acquiring" the data the already had.

The lie "Apple [or some nameless hacker or hackers] cracked Apple's encryption" is less harmful to the FBI than admitting "We work closely with the NSA (who is forbidden by law from harvesting anything but meta-data within the US) to intercept every syllable said, every word texted and every byte loaded by any electronic means."

So what if it would damage Apple to have its crown jewels compromised, that's Apple's problem, not The Government's!

Besides, Apple is evil! They actually turn a profit!

35 posted on 03/30/2016 7:41:49 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: Ransomed
Yes it would be better if they just used the data to eliminate terrorists with extreme prejudice.

But remember, we are not at war with the terrorist (although they are at war with us!)

We can't just shoot them, we have to build a case, arrest them, and try them one by one in open court (and reveal in excruciating detail ever technique that we used to gather the data) and hopefully obtain a conviction, and get a slap-on-the-wrist imposed by the court, and overturned on appeal.

36 posted on 03/30/2016 7:47:03 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: null and void

What court case? I mean I find it plausible they had everything already. You are saying this private company didn’t really do it? Why bring a case against Apple in the first place, why just not say this company did it?

Freegards


37 posted on 03/30/2016 7:47:37 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: rktman

The whole thing was a publicity stunt by Apple to make stupid people believe that only Apple engineers are smart enough to get in there.


38 posted on 03/30/2016 7:50:12 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: libertylover

LOL! So you’re thinkin’ they were stalling because they had no clue how to get in.


39 posted on 03/30/2016 7:52:24 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

Believe me, it ain’t rocket science. But it is computer science which, unlike art, can be duplicated. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be science.


40 posted on 03/30/2016 7:55:32 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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