Is Apple in the Dark?
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Posted on 03/30/2016 5:56:43 AM PDT by rktman
More likely: NSA had the original iCloud setup session on file and recovered the original password, reset it, synced the phone with the home network, and reset it from the iCloud. Which is what would have happened if the stupid IT guy hadn’t reset the iCloud password in the first place.
Any and all future court cases stemming from the data that was on that phone.
If it became known that the evidence was acquired illegally, by long standing precedence, that evidence would be tainted and the case would be dismissed.
Would you be happy to have a decade's worth of terrorist convictions thrown out on a technicality?
Instead of making a public case against Apple to break it, even though they already really have what is on it, so that they would have a cover story on how they got it in court, why didn’t they just plan to say this other private company got it for them when the time comes? Why let Apple make a big deal about it in public? How does this help?
Freegards
Probably watched a youtube on it.
Just like a 4 year old with cookie crumbs on his face swearing he doesn’t know where the cookie went.
Made a virtual iPhone by pulling the chips and copying their contents to RAM in a iPhone software modeller somewhere.
This is, as someone said up-thread, largely kabuki theater. The FBI didn't get their private back door (we think), which was probably the real point behind the affair in the first place. That's a win. The FBI got the information for which it had a warrant. That's a win too. Either that or I'm completely misinterpreting the whole thing, which wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last. ;-)
Exactly, it’s for FUD.
Who wouldn't? Go up against the Federal Leviathan? That's crazy talk!
Apple did it anyway. That boxed both them and the FBI into a corner.
The FBI was first to figure out how to get out of that corner by blandly claiming nvrmnd, we cracked it widout you.
Dude I think we must be talking past each other or I am just not getting it, which isn’t all that unusual. Sorry.
Why not just say it was broken by this private company in the first place? Why did they take it up with Apple in public court, who had every commercial motive to justify not complying?
Freegards
That was their Plan A.
The literally couldn't imagine any company operating in the United States would dare defy them.
When Apple didn't act like a good little Kapo *cough* soros *cough* they were stuck.
The rule of thumb for a lawyer in court is never ask a question you don't know the answer to.
The FBI assumed Apple would say 'yassa massa', or else. No muss, no fuss, and the FBI gets a back-door adaptable to any iPhone.
They were wrong.
Or I'm just not explaining it clearly (or I could even be wrong? Naaaah!)
I guess I have a hard time believeing that they didn’t know what Apple would do, that doesn’t make sense to me. Just call them up and ask. If the whole point is to have a cover story to explain in court having the stuff they actually got illegally or whatever, why didn’t they then just say, ‘OK, we’ll use this other company to explain how we got it.’ It might not even make the news cycle that way. Of course I could absolutely be wrong.
The whole thing being drawn out in public is weird. If it was supposedly this darn easy to do without Apple, what could have been the reason not to just do that first? I mean how long was the court case going to draw out?
Freegards
“Because they were ILLEGALY obtaining the data... “
So, exactly what law(s) did the FBI supposedly break while investigating this terrorist incident by unlocking the data on the phone without Apple’s help as you claim?
Read it again. That is almost exactly the opposite of what I claimed.
The FBI didn't have to "decrypt" the data or "break into" the phone -- they worked AROUND the encryption with tools not available to the average person. Data storage is just hardware -- there is virtually ALWAYS a way as long as you can get to the chips.
Apple is in no danger, nor are their products or customers -- these techniques are not something that can be replicated in quantity.
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Apple isn't the liar. You are.
Apple gave them the code and the rest is elaborate ruse to give Apple cover.
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