Posted on 03/30/2016 5:56:43 AM PDT by rktman
” ...That is almost exactly the opposite of what I claimed.”
Total nonsense! You wrote that the FBI illegally got the data from the phone. What law(s) did they break?
Because according to people in the know, it took the private company over two months of work to find a way to do it. There were a couple of hundred similar companies working on it. Cellebrite was just the first one to get to the checkered flag with a workable, vetted solution that would stand up to forensic standards. It's not an easy thing to do.
No, no, no, no, HELL NO!
I wrote they obtained the data via the NSA’s or perhaps their own illegal monitoring of the CONTENT of the transmitted data within the USofA, they can only legally collect metadata in the US, that is to say, when the calls were made from which number to which number and how long the calls lasted, when a text was sent out and to whom, when a web site was visited, but not the contents of files up or downloaded.
The NSA cannot do this in America any more that the CIA can spy on Americans in America.
The FBI needed Apple to unlock to phone to have a plausible LEGAL explanation as to where they got the data they already had obtained by illicit means.
Is this really a hard concept?
If they just took illegally acquired data into court, the court would have no choice but to discard ‘the fruit of a poisonous tree’.
With a story that they got the data off the phone Apple cracked they could get away with it.
Otherwise, how would they explain away the provenience of all that damning data?
Was that a little more clear or would another reading of what I actually said in light of this clarify matters?
I find it hard to believe that they had no idea how long Apple would fight them in court vs. how long another entity would take to get this to this stuff before they pulled the trigger to go after Apple.
Hey, you know a lot more about it than me. Why take Apple to court in the first place, why have this story in the news like this at all? It is absolutely amazing that cellebwhatever did it so fast or what?
Freegards
I bet the British collect everything from the US, and we do the same to them. Then the info is traded, to get around any laws about domestically doing it.
Freegards
Apple had already been working with the FBI since about the second week of December, when the FBI got smart and called them for help. Before that, Apple did not even know an iPhone was even been found. They HAD received a search warrant for iCloud files, but apparently, like everyone else, they assumed the iPhone associated with the iCloud account was one of those the terrorists had destroyed and thrown into the lake as had been reported on the news.
Apple had told them they did not have a means of getting past the passcode.
(Unless it's not the 30th of February...)
I will bet it was a previous Apple executive that did it !!!!
No, Apple did not. Apple was seriously fighting this in two courts. One at the appellate level. They would not sabotage their legal fight which they had already spent millions of dollars fighting.
“The FBI’s announcement that it mysteriously hacked into an iPhone is a public setback for Apple Inc., as consumers learned that they can’t keep the government out of even an encrypted device… ”
I could see this coming from a mile away when Apple refused the court order to assist the FBI.
I think their refusal to comply was nothing more than an incredibly stupid PR stunt. Apple could have assisted with this particular investigation and still have maintained control over access to their devices. So, Apple thought that they could win a little PR battle with the FBI, but instead, they have now LOST the WAR. The FBI apparently now has the ability to unlock iPhones (and probably other Apple devices). What was Apple thinking by refusing the court order? Did they actually think that the FBI was just going to give up? At least one other third party had already stated publicly that they could unlock the phone for the FBI.
OK, I realize I must not be getting it.
Why do you think they went after Apple? A mistake or what? Did they want something from Apple they didn’t realize they could get from cellebwhatever, or what?
Freegards
I don't think they expected Apple to refuse to do what they demanded. But they waited more than two months before they went to court. They had the iPhone by the end of the first week in December. . . but it was February 19th that they got the court order. Two and a half months later.
Alien Technology.
President Hillary has promised to expose the captured Alien Spaceship they have hidden at Area 51. No, really...
If there was a Cruz Sex Video on that iPhone, Apple would have cracked it in a day.
Privacy, shimacy...
“I don’t think they expected Apple to refuse to do what they demanded. But they waited more than two months before they went to court. They had the iPhone by the end of the first week in December. . . but it was February 19th that they got the court order. Two and a half months later.”
I don’t buy that they didn’t know Apple’s position vs how long it would actually take to get it from someone else. How does what happened in public make sense? They had no idea that celebsustar was the best case scenario for them? It was some sort of miracle that happened in the window of getting Apple to comply?
Freegards
The feds removed the fingers of the perp and used his fingerprint to enter the phone. This process requires an undertaker that is on the take, not much else.
Before this, the FBI, NSA, and all the other law enforcement agencies in the world had tools to open every mobile device in the world. . . except the iOS devices of Apple. They wanted to force Apple to provide them with such a universal iOS tool.
They also wanted to establish a precedent they could through the courts force a manufacturer to install such a backdoor tool. Currently, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994, specifically prohibited any law enforcement agency or agent from requiring any manufacturer of telecommunication equipment from installing any software, hardware, feature, or function to any of their devices or directing the design of any of their product to prevent or eliminate or force the decryption of any data on such device or equipment.
They were trying to get around that Federal Law which prohibited them doing what they wanted to do. So they used the All Writs Act to try and force Apple to do what was impermissible for them to do force Apple to do on their own.
Oh, I’m sorry. I did not realize that you were basing your claim of the FBI illegally obtaining the phone data on a wild assed conspiracy theory (without ANY evidence) that they had it before even going to court to legally ask for Apple’s assistance. All that wasted expense and time, only to get what they already had. If you had opened your comment #35 with your conspiracy theory claim, I would have just ignored it and scrolled down to the next comment… Sorry to bother you…
First, the iPhone fingerprint system will not work with fingers that are dead. It requires living fingers. So sorry, your theory fails on that problem alone.
Second, the iPhone 5C the San Bernardino Public Health Department gave to its employees has no fingerprint sensor. Ergo, a finger, dead or alive will not unlock it. So sorry again, it won't unlock by a non-existent TouchID that doesn't work on an iPhone which doesn't have one.
Nice try.
Remember, Obambi sent Busted Churchill back to the Brits. . .
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