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To: Velveeta

The official lone wolf theory was a government directed false flag operation from the get go.

Let’s take a few seconds to do an after action report on “The First Battle of Orlando”. First Battle? Does anyone who thinks think that there will be only one terrorist strike in the Orlando area?

Let’s start with the body counts. Fifty killed and 53 wounded. That means a minimum of 103 shots were fired by the terrorist(s).

The killing zone was not a sterile shooting range. It was a “typical” new age night club - flashing lights, noise, movement, etc. A highly trained military professional - think tier-one SOCOM assets would be hard pressed to achieve one shot-one hit in that environment. IMHO it achieve a kill I would expend at least 3 shots on each kill target and maybe two shots for each injured target. Plus, there would be unaccounted shots - rounds fired that missed.

Total rounds in the air - 250 +/-.

How long did the terrorist have in the killing zone? It wasn’t the full duration of the attack. The responding forces reported a hostage scenario lasting several hours before they were authorized to end the attack. The bottom line 250 +/- shots fired in less than an hour; perhaps 30 minutes. That also includes time to swap out clips and move through the killing zone.

The audio made during the attack shows the majority of the shots were single shot engagements. Minimal time between shots but no bursts of fire.

Going back to the probable number of shots fired - 250 +/-. If a 30-round assault clip was used that is at least 9 clips. If a “standard” 20-round clip was used there were at least 13 clips used. Loaded clips are heavy and bulky. No way a single terrorist could carry that many clips even with specialized load bearing equipment (LBE) (ammo pouches, etc.). The use of LBE is critical to expend that many shots in that period of time. Swapping out clips, on the move, places restrictions on how the clips are carried and how the clips are presented to the shooter. No fumbling, no snags, no rounds partially pulled from the clip while getting the fresh clip into the magazine well, and no wasted time getting the magazine seated and the charging handle pushed forward.

My bottom line: there was more than a single “lone wolf” terrorist actively shooting inside the night club. The pure physical mechanics of firing that many rounds in that environment in the available time makes it impossible to be a single shooter.

But, what it was truly a single shooter? Then he is more highly trained than our professional tier-one SOCOM assets. That too implies that it was not a lone wolf terrorist attack.

P.S. Tier-one SOCOM asset - SOFD (”Delta Force”) or a Seal Team, or some other, much blacker, unit.


64 posted on 06/13/2016 3:15:08 PM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: Nip

Really...?

I’m not Special Forces or anything like it...but I have held a loaded 30 round ‘clip’ (i.e. magazine) and it would not be difficult to tote 9 of them, in my opinion. Anybody else that can comment on this....


87 posted on 06/13/2016 3:29:20 PM PDT by deks
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To: Nip

Add to your counts a facebook post from a relative of an injured person. “She had 11 bullets removed, and 1 left in her liver”. Funny, facebook post was removed yesterday. Check Cernovich’s twitter timeline, he has screenshots.

Also add just now feds reporting 202 total bullets, including shootout with SWAT - also reports of bullets in ceiling. Doesn’t add up!


94 posted on 06/13/2016 3:32:18 PM PDT by BreitbartSentMe ((xDem now) - Breitbart sent me)
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To: Nip

and no one rushed him when he was changing magazines...maybe the club goers were not familiar with weapons?

will be interesting to see ballistics reports
elsewhere i heard 200 or so rounds expended don’t recall where i read it.


98 posted on 06/13/2016 3:36:01 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: Nip; All

Unfortunately, there are many poor assumptions in your post.

Bullets from a .223 can penetrate and wound more than one person. In a crowded venue, it is quite likely that one shot will hit more than one person.

So we could easily be down to 60 shots, but I suspect that the number is closer to 210, which would allow for multiple hits on many people. That would be 7 30 round magazines. The loaded 30 round magazines are not that heavy they weight a bit over a pound, or less than 8 pounds for 7 loaded magazines. Numerous reports said that he was wearing a vest, which could easily be used for carrying magazines.

Even without a vest, ordinary pockets allow for 8 magazines. The bellow pockets on BDU pants allow at least two each, that is four. Then the front pockets allow one each, that is six, then the back pockets take one each, that is eight.

It would have been easy for him to use a small day pack or fanny pack to carry more magazines or accessories.

If everyone was running away from him, reloading would be easy, and he is supposed to have 1 or 2 pistols to use in the event of being attacked while reloading, which only takes a couple of seconds with a bit of practice.

It has also been claimed that the shooter had some training.

I have been surprised that other attacks have had relatively low casualty counts. At the close ranges in this case, all under 40 feet, probably much less, hits are very easy, especially into crowds that are attempting to flee. There were over 300 people reported to be in the club, and exits were minimal, at least one blocked.

Fish in a barrel comes to mind.


104 posted on 06/13/2016 3:42:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Nip

Great post. Makes a lot of sense.


108 posted on 06/13/2016 3:44:35 PM PDT by Yaelle (Make America Safe Again)
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To: Nip

Your first 30 targets are all jiggling within 5 feet of you, close enough for one to bump boobs or asses with four people at the same time... it’s not like they’re squirrels up camphor trees in a hurricane.


190 posted on 06/13/2016 9:43:57 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Nip

I doubt he had any military training..shooting fish in a barrel can be done by just about anybody.People packed into a confined space,each shot probably went through a few bodies at that short of a range before coming to a stop,I notice this as it is about equal dead and wounded. so about 100 people and 250 rounds is about 8 magazines tape 2 together and he only is messing with 4,all he needs do is flip the 30 when empty.
OR he had one of those 100 round drum magazines.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/ar15-m16-100rd-dual-drum-mag


197 posted on 06/14/2016 5:00:35 AM PDT by HWGruene (ICK)
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To: Nip

“Total rounds in the air - 250 +/-.”

Reasonable. Thanks for the clear analysis.


215 posted on 06/14/2016 10:46:22 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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