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Final Independent Poll showed 8-point REMAIN advantage
6/24 | self

Posted on 06/24/2016 8:30:32 AM PDT by LS

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To: LS
Yeah, right. These must be the same pollsters that have Hillary beating Trump!
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21 posted on 06/24/2016 8:53:33 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: LS

538 has an article in the NYTimes today defending polling...

People are more rational than ‘identity’ polling assumes. The racist support for Obama being an aberration. It’s an easy metric to use, so pollsters concentrate on it and blow it out of proportion.
It’s also a ‘politically correct’ bias to concentrate on ‘identity’.

Early polls have never been of much use. They represent the media’s framing of the issues and candidates before the candidates and voters have opportunity to do their own framing.


22 posted on 06/24/2016 8:54:05 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: TigerClaws

Yea, like the 11% of morons that say they’ll vote for Gary Johnson. If he gets more than 2% of the vote and run down main street butt naked.


23 posted on 06/24/2016 8:57:01 AM PDT by WilliamCooper1
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To: LS

12-point error? Nope.

12-point, “Scare-err”...there, fixed.

Yeah, the push pollers tried to scare them.

They will do it here, too. Get ready.


24 posted on 06/24/2016 9:02:27 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (They've set up the system to protect themselves from us...we need to take it back.)
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To: WilliamCooper1
Yea, like the 11% of morons that say they’ll vote for Gary Johnson.

90% of whom think he's "the guy who played The Professor on Gilligans Island."


25 posted on 06/24/2016 9:04:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TigerClaws

Nobody uses land lines anymore. Nobody.


26 posted on 06/24/2016 9:06:28 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

We keep coming back to whether this is genuine “push polling” or simply such horrible polling methods that they are just incompetent fools.


27 posted on 06/24/2016 9:06:50 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I lie to pollsters. I believe many do, even overseas.
Fear of being harassed by people on the other side, most likely causes this.
But once inside the voting booth, nobody but you and God know how you voted............................


28 posted on 06/24/2016 9:32:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: LS

Gallup exited the polling business because its impossible to take a genuinely unbiased poll anymore.

UK polls showed REMAIN ahead or tied.

It lost by four points.


29 posted on 06/24/2016 9:34:40 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: The Continental Op
I heard a report from Britain last night that people were saying the pollsters were aggressive, and tugging at people to indicate a preference for “stay”, so people went along and said “Yep, fine, I’m for stay” and then went out and voted to LEAVE.


In the UK the “Bradley Effect” is the “Shy Tory Factor”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor

Give the pollster the PC answer and he/she goes away...:^)

30 posted on 06/24/2016 9:42:13 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: LS

Just another example of how the polls are utter lies these days, and always skew in the liberal direction.

My rule of thumb is that you can subtract 5 to 10 percent from the liberal side of any poll’s figures. I call it the “Nudge Factor.”


31 posted on 06/24/2016 9:42:29 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: az_gila

Right!


32 posted on 06/24/2016 9:46:51 AM PDT by The Continental Op
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To: LS

UK polling has had a very bad run of late, they got the Scottish referendum, the last General Election, and now the Brexit votes very wrong.

As for the US, IIRC the polls have been closer, and final polls a day or so before and election have generally close to the mark, but with some significant failures as well.

Polling in June is only useful in identifying and tracking trends as the campaign heats up. It is less than useful for projecting winners and losers in a close election.


33 posted on 06/24/2016 9:47:49 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

I would lie to a pollster just for the sheer principle.


34 posted on 06/24/2016 9:48:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LS

I so remember the night of the 1980 election - RAther and the rest all claiming the polls showing that Reagan would lose 2 to 1. It’s a strategy they use - knowing people like to vote for a winner - AND that a lot, hearing their side is loosing - won’t bother to go vote. This has worked more than once...

The vote did go 2 to 1 - for FOR Reagan.

I remember, with glee - the look on all those faces on election day.


35 posted on 06/24/2016 10:27:01 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (A Christian is as a Christian does - "By their works...")
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I remember, with glee - the look on all those faces on election day.

The media starts to believe their own lying spin, and then they are actually surprised when their spin is 180 degrees wrong.

36 posted on 06/24/2016 10:28:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: dfwgator

They lie to you; you lie to them.


37 posted on 06/24/2016 11:23:24 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Larry.
I bring this up because my own analysis of US presidential election polls going back to 1952 shows similar HORRIBLE errors in June polling vs. November---average 9 points off, but when off with a GOP victor, the average was 22 points off.

38 posted on 06/24/2016 11:30:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: IronJack

I think it’s best not to take off that 5 or 10% as it helps compensate for the voting fraud the Left is able to get away with.


39 posted on 06/24/2016 12:11:58 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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