Posted on 07/03/2016 2:12:06 PM PDT by Kaslin
James Sanders was the first investigative reporter to take a serious look at what happened to TWA Flight 800. For his efforts, he, his wife Elizabeth, a TWA trainer, and one of his sources, TWA Capt. Terry Stacey were arrested. The Sanderses were tried and convicted in federal court of conspiracy to steal airplane parts. Learn more in TWA 800: The Crash, The Cover-Up, The Conspiracy (Regnery: July 5).
July 12, 1996, Westhampton, Long Island, a repairman using his video camera to film the dawn, instead captured a large missile solid-fuel exhaust plume climbing into the sky. Then something large fell from the sky, on fire, leaving a smoke trail as it descended slowly toward the Atlantic Ocean south of Westhampton.
Five days later, in the same area of the sky, just after 8:30 pm, the United States Navy fired off another missile that brought down TWA Flight 800. Almost twenty years later I obtained from the FBI the video of the July 12, 1996, shoot-down, but the FBI refused to send me the documents associated with the video.
Newly discovered CIA documents, however, reveal that a cover-up was ordered. A factually-false narrative disguised as analysis was created, but never released to the media. Highly credible witnesses observed a missile take out TWA Flight 800, statements so compelling the FBI and CIA altered these statements to comport with the desired outcome of the investigation: mechanical failure.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Talisker wrote:”Because sailors are so corrupt they’d talk against orders, eh? And that’s the essence of your argument - that naval military personnel are crap? We’re not liberals here, that meme won’t fly.”
I want to be very careful and not put words in your mouth but are you saying that the crew of an Aegis cruiser were given orders not to reveal a missile launch that destroyed TWA800?
Check your tagline ... the thread is about the cover up, since no one on this board knows where the missile originated.
Nope, I'm not. What I'm saying is that I believe there are multiple scenarios where such orders might be given, AND if they were, they would be obeyed. First, because of the professionalism and integrity of naval personnel. Second, because they would not be ordered in a vacuum, but be given a plausible reason involving national security, and therefore they'd take it to their graves. They might not feel good about it, but they'd be told it was a matter of preventing an enormously important defense system from being scuttled from public outrage - a system they understood as vital due to their own experience with it. And, they'd be told the problem would be fixed.
They wouldn't talk.
I am glad you brought that up. That one bothered me a lot. Thermite burns at high temperatures. Doesn’t blow off engines. Don’t even know why the military would have a thermite armed missile. Grenades, for the destruction of equipment, yes. Takes minutes to burn through stuff.
And polio vaccines don’t cut into the rate of polio cases.
(OK, even tin foil finds something every now and then, but it also makes nice shiny distracting objects.)
I frankly don’t know about heat seeking missiles, would they necessarily deliver their payload right at the thing that they homed in on? Don’t they detonate some small distance from it?
It wasn't a Navy missile. It was a missile fired by Iranian mercenaries hired by a wealthy Iranian family to enact revenge for the shooting down of Iran air flight 655, by the USS Vincennes back in 1988.
And I can't tell you how I learned this, and no, i'm not joking.
They detonate at a distance of one cubit.
The Navy uses a common cubit of six hands, but the Air Force uses the Royal Cubit of seven hands. Before translation code was embedded into missile ROMs, this difference caused many a tragedy.
Well ok silly. But unless this is an inertia weapon, they don’t want to wait till they have actually hit their target.
Because sailors are so corrupt they’d talk against orders, eh?
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Sailors swear their oath to the Constitution.
Proximity fuses are as old as the German bombs that were used against England in WWII. (Tube circuitry, then.)
Still, this is where the argument goes awry. They’ll argue it couldn’t have been the Navy, therefor it wasn’t a missile. Then, it wasn’t a manpad... therefor it wasn’t a missile.
They hope people will bog down and not notice the logical sleight of hand.
Its good to keep it simple. I don’t know who fired what kind of missile. Well over a hundred people saw a missile, including people whose experience and background was such that they would know what they saw. That’s it. What kind, and who fired it, we may never know because no one wanted to know.
Since the Navy was there scouring the area, its probably that some key people knew what they were looking for, but its also pretty sure that they were not interviewed by FBI. I assume they were there because there was information that something was going to happen, but even to make that assumption is to get off onto a tangent. Witnesses didn’t see who fired the missile, or identify what kind of missile. But they agreed it was a missile.
But as we know, people can be talked into believing that a lot of things “are of the Constitution” when they aren’t.
And if it was a test missile that just blundered into the plane, still it was a tragedy.
This makes sense to me. It explains to me why the Navy was on the scene, as if they had information and were expecting something. It explains why the administration didn't want to respond to the attack. It explains why the CIA was involved in cooking up the cover story (that by itself always struck me as very odd in itself). And it explains why they were so determined that it was not terrorism... indeed, they announced what the results of the investigation would be before the investigation started. This makes a kind of sense.
And how many federal agents do you think it would take to pull this off?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just to understand how this conspiracy stuff works.
One of the things we all learned during the Clinton years was how cover stories could be developed like onion skins, in layers, so that as one fails another is ready. And the role multiple conspiracy theories play in discrediting the evidence of very real conspiracies. With these people it was every other week. Now, we are within a few months of them moving back into the White House and all of it starting up again. God help us.
Go Trump.
A few boobs on the beach miles away are sure it was a missile. Just like in LA a year or two ago when thousands were sure a contrail was a nuclear missile from a Chinese sub.
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It was well over 200 “boobs”, and some were in boats and in the air close by.
And this is the second time you’ve mentioned this “thousands” (number keeps going up in your estimation) of witnesses reporting a “nuclear missile from a Chinese sub”, when I’ve never heard of it and you never provided links.
Got any sources there?
Here’s your “boobs”, by the way:
http://raylahr.entryhost.com/CIA-Stalcup-Records/Records-1-10-168pgs.pdf
You’re going to need Adobe Reader or equivalent for that link, and don’t use full-screen because of a bug in the Reader app. Best to right-click and download, then look at it straight from your hard drive.
Sanders claims to have a video now, I’m guessing it’s a part of the discovery on his case. I’d love to see that.
LOL. How many agents? As many as match the importance of the project. No more, no less.
I haven’t read the article but I love the title. It reminds me of my 7th grade English teacher. She told us that it is always necessary to use words properly and know their true meanings. As an example, she told the class that there were three words that she always got confused and had caused her lots of grief throughout her life.
Persecution
Prosecution
Prostitution
We asked for specifics but she declined.
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