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Donald Trump, in Pittsburgh, Pledges to Boost Both Coal and Gas
NY Times ^ | Sept. 22, 2016 | CORAL DAVENPORT

Posted on 09/22/2016 5:37:44 PM PDT by Innovative

Donald J. Trump on Thursday traveled to Pittsburgh, a city once synonymous with the rich coal seam that runs beneath it and now the capital of natural gas fracking, to promise the impossible: a boom for both coal and gas.

Mr. Trump’s energy promises to those attending a corporate conference contained a fundamentally incompatible concept, as expanding the exploration of natural gas is the surest way to hurt coal production, and vice versa. Since the two fuels compete directly for the same market — the power plants that light American homes — it is effectively impossible to increase production of one without decreasing the other.

But ever the salesman, Mr. Trump gave it a go and promised to restore the region’s old coal economy and pump up its booming new gas economy.

“The shale energy revolution will unleash massive wealth for America,” he told an audience of chief executives from the energy industry. “And we will end the war on coal and the war on miners.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: economy; energy; industry; naturalresources; trump
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To: Innovative
Since the two fuels compete directly for the same market — the power plants that light American homes — it is effectively impossible to increase production of one without decreasing the other.

I've read that statement many times - can't believe a college educated person would make a statement like that. First, they don't consider overseas markets, and second, it assumes no new homes are built.

21 posted on 09/22/2016 6:33:35 PM PDT by 11th_VA (It's all gonna change once Trump's president)
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To: donozark

For any new coal mine or coal burner to come on line, there would have to be a roll-back of the more recent EPA clean air rules (not law.)
The same specs drove fuel costs for Great Lakes freighters up by $75,000 per round trip from Two Harbors to Gary.
Wonder why industry is drying up ?


22 posted on 09/22/2016 6:35:42 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Innovative

Meanwhile, in Iowa, they just announced the construction of a thousand more windmills.


23 posted on 09/22/2016 6:36:16 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Innovative

We need nuclear. Or as Jimmy Carter would say, nucular.


24 posted on 09/22/2016 6:36:54 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Trump believes Global Warming is a fraud and hopefully will review all those EPA laws.

Pray America wakes


25 posted on 09/22/2016 6:40:09 PM PDT by bray (I'm Deplorable)
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To: 11th_VA

Environmental concerns would seem to favor burning coal where the combustion products can be economically dealt with,a d cleaner gas burned in homes and other small users .

Heating homes with electricity wastes two thirds of the energy compared with heating by burning gas in a modern high efficiency furnace.


26 posted on 09/22/2016 6:45:30 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Those 1000 windmills are just part of the massive fraud known as “green energy”.


27 posted on 09/22/2016 6:48:27 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: bray

I’m hoping that if he is President, that Trump is strong enough to tell congress to simply not bother funding the EPA, among other agencies.


28 posted on 09/22/2016 6:57:13 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
EPA rules?

I always thought Democrats hate coal because Santa Claus was never good to them as children.

:-P

29 posted on 09/22/2016 6:57:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: CincyRichieRich

Correction:

This is propaganda that is targeted at “educated” women who believe that they have been taught superior and unassailable facts and will therefore vote for the candidate who advocates ending fossil fuel energy productions in favor of “clean” energy production.


30 posted on 09/22/2016 7:00:47 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Steely Tom
More energy production will decrease the cost of energy,
True. But don't kid yourself, energy producers love environmental restrictions that raise the cost to the consumer. They can charge more, make more profit and produce less. Name any other industry that asks you to restrict your use of their product
The NYT belongs to an intellectual movement that believes that inexpensive energy is among the worst things that can happen to the world.
And Fox news etc. is loaded with them too. They all panic when the price of oil drops...It's all about their own investments.
31 posted on 09/22/2016 7:03:11 PM PDT by lewislynn (Ryan is the other half of the reason Romney got creamed by a negro with a Nobel)
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To: Pox

An excellent novel about Pennsylvania Anthracite coal mining ‘DIRTY MINES’ Great history of coal mining.


32 posted on 09/22/2016 7:10:38 PM PDT by bondsman (kbernards/4995cop)
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To: lewislynn
True. But don't kid yourself, energy producers love environmental restrictions that raise the cost to the consumer. They can charge more, make more profit and produce less. Name any other industry that asks you to restrict your use of their product

That's a good thing, isn't it?

I like clean air as much as the next person, but I also think expanding the supply of energy is a good thing. I would think energy producers would think so too.

I've told the story before of how my family went to see the Worlds Fair in 1964; it was in NYC.

We got to stay in the Manhattan apartment of a family friend. When we went out in the morning to take the train over to Flushing Meadows, I was faced with an amazing sight: the sunrise in the East created a brilliant solid yellow haze that went from street level clear up to as high as I could crane my neck. I couldn't see any blue at all, just golden haze.

When we went home the next day, we took a tunnel out of the city through New Jersey; as we drove along the Pulaski Skyway, we went past a huge coal-burning power plant that hat five stacks, and all five were belching dark-gray smoke like crazy. It made a real impression on me.

Now, today, the sky over Manhattan is clear and blue on a cloudless day. A huge improvement in 52 years.

I like that; it shows that technology can accomplish great things.

33 posted on 09/22/2016 7:13:26 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Alberta's Child

Coal is easier to export. Flood the world with U.S. coal, and the U.S. with U.S. natural gas and petroleum.

Everyone gains — except the climate flim-flam artists.


34 posted on 09/22/2016 7:13:34 PM PDT by AZLiberty (A is no longer A, but a pull-down menu.)
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To: AZLiberty

Maybe, but I know CNG has become a pretty hot commodity in world trade.


35 posted on 09/22/2016 7:15:21 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Do the individual workers know of how the union betrays them?


36 posted on 09/22/2016 7:15:49 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: Innovative

The bigger story here is that Trump is campaigning in Pittsburgh. I like hearing this news, because I don’t want him to concede Pennsylvania.


37 posted on 09/22/2016 7:16:06 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Theodore R.
Yes, they do. These people aren't fools.

Someone posted a link to a great article on this subject just last week:

Why Democrats in Western Pennsylvania are Voting Trump

Here's the money quote:

"Every single person who walked into Lee Supply’s training room was a registered Democrat -- and pledged to vote for Trump."

38 posted on 09/22/2016 7:19:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Graybeard58
Stupid NYT. Think everything is static, a zero-sum game.Good for us that it's working for them, though. Online news is up, NYT is down
39 posted on 09/22/2016 7:22:57 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill TWITTER !! Kill FACEBOOK !! Free MILO !!)
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To: Innovative

it is effectively impossible to increase production of one without decreasing the other.
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Davenport is full of sh*t.


40 posted on 09/22/2016 8:52:58 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (The Democrats are so lacking in class, especially the avant-garde.)
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