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The Philippines Just Blew Up Obama's Asia Pivot [Bloomberg Link Only]
Bloomberg [Link Only] ^ | October 21, 2016 | Eli Lake

Posted on 10/22/2016 5:51:04 AM PDT by C19fan

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: asia; china; duterte; philippines; southchinaseas
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To: C19fan
Well, this decline started with the Iraq war, wherein we exchanged our competitive advantage in terms of geography and sea power to become yet another Asian landpower.

The "defensible" core of our alliances was the American quadrasphere, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, and our trading partners on the outer rim of that core.

Syria was not part of that core and in fact the Black Sea is undeniably within the Russian sphere of influence. We can lie, cheat, posture, dispute, argue against spheres of influence, call Putin bad names, hate Russian oligarchs or whatever. We cannot change that reality.

On the other hand, the Philippines were very much part of that essential strategic core, we let it flounder and the core has been breached. It is not just tragic; it is the first breach in our strategic dyke.

21 posted on 10/22/2016 6:33:22 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Dacula
Let’s not forget that China owns the Panama Canal too.

If China owns the Panama Canal then why are they talking about building a competing canal in Nicaragua.

22 posted on 10/22/2016 6:39:12 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: knarf
Have to disagree.

He was dead on about Obama. Read up on his mom sometime.

Government works a bit different in 3rd world countries. It really isn't important what his ‘government’ knows. This could be an attempt to shake the US money tree, or it could be the real thing. Duterte has do what is best for him and the Philippines; right now the US is not a very good ally.

23 posted on 10/22/2016 6:42:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: bert
Ya know, I'm seeing another aspect to this as well. It is time for Japan, and they have the ability, to embark on a massive research and engineering project. Japan, and everyone could benefit, needs to be able to stop all incoming aircraft and missile threats.

It would require money and support from the United States, but it would be defensive and not offensive. And, there may even be a big market in the Mideast.

24 posted on 10/22/2016 6:46:14 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: AndyJackson
The Iraq war was the nail in the coffin.

And, the neocons are behind Hillary Clinton, as we sit here and type.

25 posted on 10/22/2016 6:51:23 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: DoodleDawg

It’s not wide enough for the new tankers.


26 posted on 10/22/2016 6:54:14 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: Vision Thing
I wonder how that rude american ex-pat who lives in the PI is doing now over there.

I'll bet you're referring to zottee, AlexW. Couldn't stand that America-hating prick.

My guess is, he's now wishing he was here, instead of there.

27 posted on 10/22/2016 6:58:26 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Yeah, that guy really resented us conservatives who chose to remain in America despite the rise of zerobama here.

He thought he was so great because he escaped the decline of America only to find it caught up to him there in the PI, where America and American are falling out of favor.


28 posted on 10/22/2016 7:05:13 AM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: Windflier

If the wrong crowd gets him, he will be on TV, getting his head cut off.


29 posted on 10/22/2016 7:05:32 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: Vision Thing

‘Americans’, not ‘America’.


30 posted on 10/22/2016 7:06:02 AM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: Vision Thing

There was someone on FR who was always saying “come to the Philippines. It’s great”. I thought if things go bad your foreign appearance will stick out like a beacon.


31 posted on 10/22/2016 7:18:39 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: Bogie
It’s not wide enough for the new tankers.

New tankers usually run 200,000 to 500,000 tons and over 1400 feet in length. The Panama Canal expansion can't handle those and neither can the proposed Nicaragua Canal.

32 posted on 10/22/2016 7:26:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: stellaluna

Yes, from what I’ve seen here, the ex-pat FReepers in the PI really love it there. And a lot has to do with how they stand out amongst the locals.

Pre-Duterte, Filipinos admired Americans. But they are all probably becoming aware that America is self destructing while China and Islam — two forces that loom over the PI — are on the rise. So it can’t be too good for the long-term prospects of ex-pat Americans there.


33 posted on 10/22/2016 7:35:05 AM PDT by Vision Thing (You see the depths of my heart, and You love me the same...)
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To: Dacula

IIRC, China owns much port property at either end of the Panama Canal.

And, China has long been making deals in South America port cities, for port properties and presence, in exchange for good deals on China’s low cost goods.

China has several nooses they plan to tighten.


34 posted on 10/22/2016 7:42:53 AM PDT by polymuser (Enough is enough!)
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To: C19fan

Yes, thats it precisely.
Its going to get very interesting over there.


35 posted on 10/22/2016 7:51:36 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: C19fan
Only Nixon could go to China. Only Obama could lose The Philippines.
36 posted on 10/22/2016 8:08:06 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Vision Thing
I wonder how that rude american ex-pat who lives in the PI is doing now over there.

I have always thought that ex-pat retirees, and those looking to relocate overseas, were taking a huge chance. If the U.S. ever fell from it's preeminent position, I suspect a lot of animosity would be unleashed against them in the New Dark Age that would follow.

I'll stick with the U.S., warts and all.

37 posted on 10/22/2016 8:29:19 AM PDT by Oatka (Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.)
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To: Little Ray

I agree


38 posted on 10/22/2016 8:47:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it pisses people off.)
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To: Bogie
That story and the picture(s) that accompany it are the equivilent of our Soros set ups.

The world stage is SO being set up.

39 posted on 10/22/2016 8:50:05 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it pisses people off.)
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To: Little Ray

PS ... I lifted those lines from the blooming bloody asshole’s “news” account which I posted to lessen the provocative headline.


40 posted on 10/22/2016 8:52:29 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true ... and it pisses people off.)
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