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The bad economics of Trump's Carrier deal
The Week ^ | 12/01/2016 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 12/01/2016 1:04:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

There's no doubt Team Trump is delighted by Carrier's decision to keep in Indiana roughly half of the 2,100 jobs that the maker of heating and air conditioning equipment had planned to shift to Mexico. As Steven Mnuchin, Trump's pick for treasury secretary, told CNBC yesterday, "This is a great first win without us even having to take the job."

Actually, it's their second win. Trump also lobbied/nudged/cajoled Ford into changing its mind about shifting a sport utility vehicle production line to Mexico from Kentucky, not that doing so actually would have cost American jobs. But Carrier, especially, had become a potent symbol of Trump's economic nationalism after video of Carrier's initial offshoring decision went viral. And in response to Carrier's reversal, Trump took a victory lap on Twitter: "Big day on Thursday for Indiana and the great workers of that wonderful state. We will keep our companies and jobs in the U.S. Thanks Carrier."

But how many Trump "wins" can the American economy afford? By themselves, the moves by Ford and Carrier are inconsequential — maybe even to Carrier's workers over the longer term. It's hardly an uncommon practice at the state level to offer incentives to lure corporate relocations or to keep firms from leaving. But the practice has mixed results. For instance, Dell closed a North Carolina plant in 2009 just five years after receiving millions in state tax incentives to open it. Production then moved to Mexico.

But more broadly, this is all terrible for a nation's economic vitality if businesses make decisions to please politicians rather than customers and shareholders. Yet America's private sector has just been sent a strong signal that playing ball with Trump might be part of what it now means to run an American company. Imagine business after business, year after year, making decisions based partly on pleasing the Trump White House. In addition, Trump's hectoring on trade and offshoring distracts from the economic reality that automation poses the critical challenge for the American workforce going forward.

To be fair, exactly why Carrier reversed course is still something of a mystery. Carrier says state "incentives" were an "important consideration," along with Trump's commitment to creating a more pro-business climate in the country. Those would be the carrots. Then there are potential sticks, which may have been far more critical than tax incentives or other potential subsidies. Carrier's parent company, United Technologies, is a large federal government contractor and perhaps views the potential costs of keeping those factory jobs — a small fraction of the company's 200,000 employee workforce — in America as the price of doing business with Trump's "America First" administration. Indeed, one Indiana official, Politico reports, thinks the deal was driven by concerns United Technologies "could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts."

Of course it wasn't so long ago that Republicans were attacking the Obama White House for its "crony capitalism," including the auto bailouts and clean energy investments in firms like Solyndra. Republicans, on the other hand, were supposedly stalwarts for competitive capitalism and vehemently against government "picking winners and losers." Some even said they were "pro-market" rather than "pro-business."

Now, not so much. Which makes you wonder if either party is willing to strongly fight for free enterprise and market-driven economic policy anymore. In her 1998 book, The Future and Its Enemies, Virginia Postrel saw the major dividing line in American politics as less left vs. right than the "dynamists" vs. the "stasists." The former values change and experimentation, as messy as those things can be. Dynamists live in anticipation of the future because they just know it will be a great place. The stasists often are nostalgia-ridden and willing to use top-down control to keep things as they are or try to shape them into familiar forms. Today they fight globalization, tomorrow it might be robots and artificial intelligence in order to "save jobs."

This time, at least, score one for the stasists and the cronyists.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: carrier; indiana; jobs; trumpeconomy; trumptransition
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To: fortheDeclaration

Something is terribly wrong when a company producing for a nation’s own consumption believes it has to be a better idea to go to a foreign country to do it!

Incentives have gotten perverse by that point. Erasing this mis-legacy is something that Donald Trump ran on.


81 posted on 12/01/2016 2:17:41 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: morphing libertarian

If Trump isn’t going to impose the tariff, I would announce a move to Mexico and cut my taxes.


You’re free to leave anytime you want. Nobody will miss you.


82 posted on 12/01/2016 2:19:04 PM PST by lodi90 (President Trump - Has a nice ring to it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m not “the one beginning to presume on the others.” I’ve not any idea where that presumin’ might be. I favor markets where consumers decide based on price, quality, and any other value, and I do not favor government intervention, which is usually arbitrary and capricious intervention.


83 posted on 12/01/2016 2:23:21 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You have become one. QED


84 posted on 12/01/2016 2:23:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh, I see. Sending those jobs to Mexico is GOOD economics, but keeping them here is BAD.

I should have studied harder in Econ ...

85 posted on 12/01/2016 2:23:43 PM PST by IronJack
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To: elhombrelibre

And guess what we already have HAD intervention in the form of policies whose only logical deduced effect was to DRIVE business to globalism! And I don’t mean to make and sell in foreign countries.

Donald is going to ROLL THAT BACK. What part of reversing an earlier pro-globalist intervention do you not understand?


86 posted on 12/01/2016 2:25:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Based on my support for free trade and capitalism, I’m a lacuna? Is that right?


87 posted on 12/01/2016 2:27:17 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Based on your assuming that anyone sensible has to agree with you and that I’m in opposition to anyone sensible.


88 posted on 12/01/2016 2:28:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I believe in free trade and capitalism INSIDE THE USA. Like our founding fathers did.


89 posted on 12/01/2016 2:29:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: elhombrelibre

And what’s more free trade is a sell-your-country-man-out move if it isn’t balanced.

How about filling in THAT lacuna in your vision?

You want to be such a “libre hombre” that you’d even sell out your brethren.


90 posted on 12/01/2016 2:30:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: MNJohnnie
What is the problem with the State of IN allowing Carrier to keep their more of their own profits, instead of taxing it away from them for the next 10 year

Nothing at all provided that they also reduce spending by the same amount.

Otherwise they're taking $7M from all of the other citizens and giving it to Carrier.

91 posted on 12/01/2016 2:31:25 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Ah, it’s the citizens/government’s money and not Carrier’s after all. Thanks for the clarification.


92 posted on 12/01/2016 2:32:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: exit82
Go to Google Earth.

Syracuse NY, Thompson Road in 2009 looked like this

Now it looks like this:

Gone.

93 posted on 12/01/2016 2:33:18 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

your ignorance is getting the best of you

the purpose of business is to make a profit. The purpose of business is not to take care of your country men. any of your countrymen can start their own business to have a job. It is not necessary to rely on someone else for a job


94 posted on 12/01/2016 2:33:37 PM PST by Thibodeaux (Exile Barack, Exile the Wookie, Exile Malia, Exile Shasha)
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To: Thibodeaux

Atomized selfishness of that kind WILL, not MIGHT, come back to bite you. GUARANTEED. Your purported “purpose” is suicidal. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.


95 posted on 12/01/2016 2:35:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I don't assume that you or anyone else has to be sensible to agree with me. I do believe that free markets and capitalism are the most successful economic approaches to material progress and compared to all the other ones that humans have tried we still see that they have failed and capitalist approaches have succeeded. I think that the struggles between the West and Communism drove this point home, too. I do not see capitalism as perfect or a venerable way of life, just more successful and efficient.

Anyway, have a good day.

96 posted on 12/01/2016 2:35:27 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Thibodeaux

So it is YOUR ignorance that is getting the best of YOU.


97 posted on 12/01/2016 2:35:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cincinnati65

+1.


98 posted on 12/01/2016 2:35:58 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Elections have consequences." Barack Obama)
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To: Ouderkirk

A familiar site, all across this great land.


99 posted on 12/01/2016 2:36:00 PM PST by del4hope (My tagline was hijacked in 2008)
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To: elhombrelibre

Thanks for the confession, that the non-sensible are invited to agree with you in their non-sensibility.


100 posted on 12/01/2016 2:36:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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